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A Migrational Era Mod for CK2

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?forums/when-the-world-stopped-making-sense-mod.876/

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Tibet research #397

Open IhateTrains opened 5 years ago

IhateTrains commented 5 years ago

UN document: http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0010/001046/104612e.pdf#xml=http://www.unesco.org/ulis/cgi-bin/ulis.pl?database=&set=4DC27DB7_0_203&hits_rec=6&hits_lng=eng

IhateTrains commented 5 years ago

Here's how Tibet looks in the 482 mod from the Workshop. Note that it's unlikely to be accurate, but at least the realm names could help someone in research.

IhateTrains commented 5 years ago

Realms that should be portrayed (I will try to keep updating it):

Zhangzhung (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhangzhung)
?Yarlung Dynasty before the empire of Tibet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Imperial_Tibet)
- Thothori Nyantsen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thothori_Nyantsen, ruled in the fifth century) - Namri Songtsen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namri_Songtsen, founder of empire of Tibet)
Tuyhun (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuyuhun)

Loup:

Yarlung: all kings in the list are "probably" accurate from 27 and onwards
18 tribal clans (Ba clan and Bro clan?)

Abian36 commented 5 years ago

I found references of the Tuyuhun in the 482 map, the map placement seems ok https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuyuhun

IhateTrains commented 5 years ago

✔️ added to the list

IhateTrains commented 5 years ago

Religion: Bön, Tibetan Buddhism is probably out of the timeframe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Tibetan_Buddhism#First_dissemination_(7th%E2%80%939th_centuries))

tannerflick4 commented 5 years ago

Yeah Buddhism really only came into Tibet with the later kings (and emperors) of Tibet. https://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ht/06/ssh.html

https://www.jstor.org/stable/25801214?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents seems like great info if anyone has a student access to JSTOR.

loup99 commented 5 years ago

I have access @tannerflick4

IhateTrains commented 5 years ago

some info from the forum, has problems with transliteration consistency: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/summa-gentium-locorumque.443104/page-6#post-10698536

A map that shows a possible location of the tribes and Zhanzhung: EDIT: Updated the map

IhateTrains commented 5 years ago

Info on specific Tibetan clans:

Dro clan: an important Tibetan family based in Kokonor (modern-day Qinghai)

loup99 commented 3 years ago

While Nepal isn't a part of Tibet, it is adjacent and will be added together with it. The Licchavi kingdom should hold the area throughout the 476-700 period. On Wikipedia there is a list of rulers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licchavi_(kingdom)