ALT remapping and other issues for the german keyboard

[ineluki9]

I am using the config files for the german keyboard.

1. In the untouched config ALT is remaped to TILDE (dota_remap_alt_key "^"). In this configuration self-cast and the ALT-ping function (on " ^ ") does not work. However if I remap ALT to a normal key like "O" everything works fine, but this is not the solution I am looking for. When I set the my keyboard to english and remap ALT to "`" (same location on the english keyboard as does TILDE (^) on the german) it works just fine. Why??
2. Also the consol binding to "Ä" does not work. Neither it seems possible to use the keys: Ö, Ü, +, # or " ´ " . Ä is the default binding and I thought that it worked for you or at least did. Why doesnt it work for me?
3. Another thing that made me curious is, that I like to see to which key my abilities and items are set to. As for that I set the keys for the respective abilites (quick cast) to equal the config files. It works just fine for the items but not for the abilites. Why is there a difference? Is there another way to display the configured ability-keys in the config without taking the detour over the dota preferences?

In some other reports it was being said that some keys are not supported. However those keys are the default keys from the configs given for the german keyboard, so I would think they should work.

Any help would be much appreciated!

You did a really great job so far! cheers!

[lupuleasa-core]

Question 1, 2: The Reborn engine doesn't support all foreign key codes. This is volvo's part. The other contributor that made the german layout config is more familiar with these particularities.

Question 3: Unfortunately, we have no control over the item/spell labels from the cfg files. It's one downside of using the engine that made me sad.

[witchent]

I think I might be able to help with Question 1: Is your Keyboard set to latin1 with dead keys or without? So if you press your tilde key, does it write ^ or does it enable you to write the tilde on top of e.g. e? Question 2: I have to try it out myself, which prob won't happen the next few days, but I will give you an update asap.

[ineluki9]

Thanks for the answers so far.

@loopuleasa: Just to clarify, volvo is another contributor you are working with? Regarding Question 3: I thought that you are not able to do from the cfg files. However why is it working with the items and not the abilities? Did you treat those two differently in the cfg files you made or is it game related?

@witchent: Q1: When I press ^ + e it writes: ê. When I press ^ just one time nothing happens. Pressing ^ 1 time plus space prints ^. My keyboard (Windows 10) is set to germany. Afaik this is the normal behaviour for the german standard keyboard, is it not? Do I have to change something here?

[Sembrani]

@ineluki9 volvo refers to Valve, the developer of DotA 2. It's a term used when Valve breaks things / does something wrong.

There should be no difference between the behaviour of the key being displayed for items and abilities. If there are that is an inconsistency in the implementation by Valve, though I suspect there is something else going on for that to be the case.

All binds in the config files are treated the same way, and there should be no differences between the implementation of the item bindings and the skill bindings.

[witchent]

Q1: I'm not using windows, but in Linux I had to switch it so that it just writes ^ with a single press. Cause right now dota does not get your input, windows is waiting for another key to be pressed. You prob have to disable the dead key behavior, even though I have no idea how to do it in windows

[Sembrani]

@witchent @ineluki9 http://superuser.com/questions/346142/my-windows-keyboard-is-being-clever-with-the-quote-keys-how-can-i-stop-it

[ineluki9]

Thank you all for your quick support!

@Sembrani, unfortunately the solution your link describes doesnt solve my problem since I dont want to uninstall german nor switch the system language to english each time I play dota.

Is anyone here actualy using the german cfg files or has tested them? @loopuleasa, who is this german contributor you were speaking of?

by the way, even if I set the keys like Ö, Ü, +, # ingame, it doesnt work. so its volvos part. how can they miss something like that, that is a joke

[lupuleasa-core]

Yeah, they didn't offer proper key support for binds, which is a joke indeed.

As for the german layout, I am talking about this one https://github.com/loopuleasa/Dota2-TheCore-Config-Engine/tree/master/Dota%202%20Reborn%20Keyboard%20Setups/%5BGerman%20Keyboard%5D%20Loopuleasa's%20Super%20Compact%20QWERTG-DFXCV%20layout%20(ALT%2CSPACE%20mods)

[ineluki9]

Last question: Why is the remapping neccessary in the first place? In a earlier version the self cast was on space and everything worked fine. And why did it change?

[Sembrani]

It changed so that we could bind Space to normal cast, so there are 3 different "layers" of keybindings. It's largely a personal preference thing. If you would like, send me a layout of how you would like things, and I'll see if I can get a custom config to you soon.

[Sembrani]

@ineluki9 Another thing you could try is adding input_button_code_is_scan_code 1 to the top of the autoexec.cfg file if you use the normal version.

Not sure if it will work since it was added in a recent update, though from my understanding it should allow non-standard or non-QWERTY keyboards be bound using QWERTY keys.

[FlorianWendelborn]

@Sembrani I can confirm that at least the basic functionality of that command works with a German keyboard layout. I had no trouble binding using the English key names ever since I added that to my personal autoexec.

[Sembrani]

@dodekeract So will it allow a german keyboard to use the english QWERTY binds?

[FlorianWendelborn]

@Sembrani Yes, at least for me. I tested ^, Ä, Y and Z. I assume the others work too. Didn't have trouble binding anything yet.

EDIT: I haven't tried this with @loopuleasa's config, but as mine is somewhat similar I see no reason to believe inserting that scan code thing won't work.

[ineluki9]

@Sembrani : what I meant is why you changed self-cast from space to alt. as far as i understand alt also has been a "layer" before (version 1: http://i.imgur.com/qXZ8bTs.png). and in that version you didnt had to remap alt and so that problem wasnt even present. personally I prefer the approach from version 1. pherhaps all the alt-remap issues would be gone by reverting it back to space. however that is just my opinion.

@Sembrani , @dodekeract the command is not working for me, put it at the top at the autoexec.cfg for the normal version 5.2. Neither TILDE works as a ALT replacement nore can I map actions to Ä.Ö and such. @dodekeract if you should be feeling bored, you could give it a test with @loopuleasa's config :p

[FlorianWendelborn]

@ineluki9 did you try it with the English version? I can't test anything right now, since I'm on my notebook and my pc is not available atm. You need to use the English key equivalents, when using that input_key... thing.

[ineluki9]

Ok, it works (as far as I have testet it). Thanks @dodekeract and thanks @Sembrani for the great work!

[grasdaggel]

How to disable dead keys for the ^-problem on Linux? @loopuleasa

[FlorianWendelborn]

I'm using a German keyboard layout on Kubuntu, it works fine for me when I use that "bind keys by keyboard position" setting and a normal English autoexec. You should definitely try that out.

[grasdaggel]

I have Ping now on ALT. I want ping to be on ^ on a german layout. How is that possible?

[lupuleasa-core]

The dota_remap_alt_key command in the main autoexec should be the one to do that, but I am unsure what codename that key has