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Creatures returning from Planar Guide ability don't trigger correctly #4740

Closed derlhurgoyf closed 6 years ago

derlhurgoyf commented 6 years ago

Just had a game with Harmonic Sliver being reanimated or blinked, but never triggered. Only when cast from hand.

LevelX2 commented 6 years ago

I tested with Reanimate and it works.

Maybe there were no valid targets on the battlefield? You wouldn't see a triggering ability then.

derlhurgoyf commented 6 years ago

sorry, you're right from the graveyard. In the game log attached around 12:59 you see the sliver in play. At 1:02 I activate planar guide to blink all creatures. Opponent casts a bunch of artifacts and 1:03 all creatures return, but there's no Sliver trigger. 20180409_231136_Commander Free For All_1.txt

derlhurgoyf commented 6 years ago

@LevelX2 I don't quite understand the patch, but I guess this was an issue of Planar Guide instead of the sliver. Weirdly other creatures triggered just fine (Eternal Witness, Riftsweeper).

Another issue I noticed in the same game that among the creatures exiled was a Clever impersonator. However when all creatures returned he was able to clone one of my creatures. But all return at the same time so this should not be possible and he would have to copy a noncreature permanent already on the battlefield. Would this be fixed by your patch as well?

LevelX2 commented 6 years ago

Probably this is also fixed. Before the cards were moved one by one so the group that was moved could not be recognized. Now the correct methods to move groups of cards are used.

derlhurgoyf commented 6 years ago

@LevelX2 sorry to warm this up again, but I had a game yesterday where one of the creatures blinked by Planar Guide was an opponent's Thalia, Herethic Cathar. To my surprise some, but not all of my creatures returned tapped. While I'm unsure whether all or no creatures should be affected by Thalia, I'm sure the partial behaviour is wrong. Is this still related to Guide?

--edit: wizards ruling states: 2016-07-13 If Thalia enters the battlefield at the same time as an opponent's creatures or nonbasic lands, those creatures and lands aren't affected by Thalia's last ability.