Why is Magento 2 now such bloatware?

[michel334]

Suggestion:

Make 3rd party modules OPTIONAL and DISABLE by DEFAULT (klarna, dhl, yotpo, dotmailer etc etc etc etc etc) My clients DO NOT NEED these modules. These modules create bugs, problems and slow loading times.

Make new functionality OPTIONAL and DISABLE by DEFAULT (multi source stock inventory, adobe stock images etc. etc etc..) My clients DO NOT NEED this functionality. This functionality creates bugs, problems and slow loading times.

I am perfectly capable of choosing the modules my clients need and enabling/installing them if and when we need them.

Also, for the love of all that is holy, no dependency hell :)

Keep it lean and mean guys! :)

Kind regards, Michel

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[atishgoswami]

Hello @michel334,

If you want you can remove the extra modules using composer replace functionality. Here are a few community extensions that can help:

https://github.com/yireo/magento2-replace-tools

Individual Bundles: https://github.com/yireo/magento2-replace-all https://github.com/yireo/magento2-replace-bundled https://github.com/yireo/magento2-replace-inventory https://github.com/yireo/magento2-replace-core https://github.com/yireo/magento2-replace-graphql https://github.com/yireo/magento2-replace-content-staging https://github.com/yireo/magento2-replace-sample-data

Also additional this module can help identifying we certain modules have any dependencies: https://github.com/avstudnitz/AvS_DisableModules

Hope this helps 😃

[ericmorand]

I couldn't agree more. Magento 2 is a bloatware, trying to solve everything, slow and incredibly taxing on resources - both from the server and the browser.

But that wouldn't be that bad if it was not a dependency hell: it's impossible to know what modules can be removed because most of them seem to be dependent to another one, even when it's totally non-obvious - see this issue for example: https://github.com/magento/magento2/issues/30501 - and thus it is very difficult and error-prone to remove modules that we don't need.

People keeps on pointing us to composer packages that try to fix the issue but it's not what this issue is about: Magento 2 needs to stop being a bloatware to begin with. Having to install a composer package to remove some modules from Magento 2 is surrealist.

So, here is my proposal:

• Publish every module that are part of Magento 2 base as a discrete Composer package
• Remove all non-legitimate dependencies from these modules
• Publish the framework as a discrete Composer package
• Provide a proper documentation on how to build a Magento 2 application from those discrete packages

Your current approach of providing a out-of-the-box installation (i.e. this very GitHub project) - coming with everything possible - may be appropriate for casual merchants. It is definitely not what professional users need.

[michel334]

@atishgoswami wow thanks, i will try those links. I do appreciate Magento's hard work with all these modules, but i get tired of fixing error's related to modules my clients do not need. Even when modules are "disabled" in the admin i still get errors related to those modules :) But your answer will help, thanks :)

[thomas-kl1]

If you need to start a project without tons of dependencies, you can use your own metapackage, e.g: https://github.com/thomas-kl1/magento2-base-light This might be harder to upgrade because each dependency need to be check first, but at least there is no "surprise packages"

[duffner]

Hello @michel334,

If you want you can remove the extra modules using composer replace functionality. Here are a few community extensions that can help:

https://github.com/yireo/magento2-replace-tools

Individual Bundles: https://github.com/yireo/magento2-replace-all https://github.com/yireo/magento2-replace-bundled https://github.com/yireo/magento2-replace-inventory https://github.com/yireo/magento2-replace-core https://github.com/yireo/magento2-replace-graphql https://github.com/yireo/magento2-replace-content-staging https://github.com/yireo/magento2-replace-sample-data

Also additional this module can help to identify we certain modules have any dependencies: https://github.com/avstudnitz/AvS_DisableModules

Hope this helps 😃

While I agree this is an option, it shouldn't require a third-party module to disable and should just be disabled not included by default.

[Jieiku]

@thomas-kl1 Is your metapackage the bare minimum to get Magento 2 up and running? using my own meta package sounds like exactly what I might be looking for. I do not want all the modules that got installed by default, I use only 1 of them as far as I am aware, and I would much rather add modules on an as needed basis.

[thomas-kl1]

@xekon didn't tried in production but I did some tests and it was running fine :) Some packages are still mandatory because of wrong dependencies in the code (some PR are in progress). Also I've added non mandatory package to the magento2-base-light metapackage such as the developer module. Be aware to specify the elasticsearch package you need.

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[t-heuser]

Still an unresolved issue.

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[thomas-kl1]

Not stale

[michel334]

forgotten but not stale

[frankhdz]

Definitely tired of all the dependencies on modules we don't use. I ran into this issue with the reviews module not long ago. Magento is definitely bloated and while it served my purpose on getting a store up and running quickly it has slowly degraded into a hellish nightmare of a project with things constantly breaking for no reason whatsoever! We don't touch the site and bam the site breaks.

Our case is not a typical store per say and requires some special functionality that frankly magento was not built for and we are at the point now that writing a custom solution is looking better than constantly fixing magento bugs. The trouble is this beast does not leave us alone long enough to write the new solution with its constant issues!

Then of course there is the awful speed, we have thrown everything at this from redis, memcache, elastic search slimmed down javascript and CSS files and nothing helps the performs painfully slow. Enabling flat catalog does nothing, nothing! In fact it broke our store when we enabled it! In fact, the more I write about it the angrier I get and the more it makes me want to put in extra hours to develop a custom solution that performs faster and is easier to maintain than this bloated monstrosity!

[marvinhinz]

Any updates?