Closed magey closed 3 years ago
https://github.com/magey/tbc-warrior/issues/1#issuecomment-824555356
It appears this dodge % being off is only for players, you can see in the comment for attack tables above that my pet had dodge % within the expected 6.5% against a +3 lvl target. However, in the same logs my melees were a good bit less dodges
Not sure what is causing this difference but there's clearly a difference here from what I can tell (between pets and players)
I did some more testing with pet and hunter at lvl 70. I believe magey mentioned in FC that there is some 50k~ data points that also point to this, but basically it appears that dodge vs 73 works as intended giving 6.5% dodge chance with 0 expertise (my previous test was actually with expertise so that's why player was lower dodge %)
From these logs I gathered the below data: https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Mg9zrKZhaHxWw7nT#boss=-3&difficulty=0&type=damage-done&source=1 https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nfBCvyRLVaDwXt2N#boss=-3&difficulty=0&source=1&type=damage-done https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JKkv4YHByjTC2n8a#boss=-3&difficulty=0&source=1&type=damage-done
Player - 70 vs 73, 11.26% sheet crit, no exp, no hit Result | Chance | 95% CI | Count |
---|---|---|---|
Parry | 14.58% | 0.55% | 2276 |
Miss | 7.86% | 0.42% | 1226 |
Dodge | 6.25% | 0.38% | 975 |
Glance | 24.44% | 0.67% | 3814 |
Crit | 6.64% | 0.39% | 1037 |
Blocked Hit | 4.98% | 0.34% | 778 |
Hit | 35.25% | 0.75% | 5501 |
Pet - 70 vs 73, 14.99% sheet crit, no hit Result | Chance | 95% CI | Count |
---|---|---|---|
Parry | 14.05% | 0.50% | 2610 |
Miss | 8.07% | 0.39% | 1500 |
Dodge | 6.68% | 0.36% | 1241 |
Glance | 24.61% | 0.62% | 4572 |
Crit | 10.08% | 0.43% | 1872 |
Blocked Hit | 5.26% | 0.32% | 977 |
Hit | 31.24% | 0.67% | 5804 |
Hope this helps.
As can be seen here we did another round of tests, but this time 70 vs 73 (as opposed to 60 vs 63 the last time). Across 105K attacks we got:
Outcome | Chance | 95% CI | Count |
---|---|---|---|
Miss | 7.95% | ±0.16% | 8379 |
Dodge | 6.48% | ±0.15% | 6826 |
Parry | 14.12% | ±0.21% | 14887 |
Glance | 24.22% | ±0.26% | 25528 |
Block | 5.06% | ±0.13% | 5337 |
Crit | 14.53% | ±0.21% | 15315 |
Hit | 27.64% | ±0.27% | 29133 |
Which leads me to believe the dodge formula problem is specific to lower level mobs/players.
And confirming that 70 vs 70 (350 vs 350) also has the correct dodge chance over 51K attacks:
Outcome | Chance | 95% CI | Count |
---|---|---|---|
Miss | 5.04% | ±0.19% | 2582 |
Dodge | 4.96% | ±0.19% | 2540 |
Parry | 5.09% | ±0.19% | 2604 |
Glance | 6.01% | ±0.21% | 3075 |
Block | 4.84% | ±0.19% | 2477 |
Crit | 18.57% | ±0.34% | 9508 |
Hit | 55.50% | ±0.43% | 28417 |
The combat table is different in 2.X at level 60 than it is at 70. It's unclear if this was actually intended or a quirk of how it was written, but the engineers confirmed this is correct and accurate in our reference and BCC clients. Dodge being slightly lower at 60 is Not A Bug.
Have fun in pre-patch!
The formula for mob dodge chance in TBC should be
5% + (DefenseSkill - WeaponSkill) * 0.1%
, unchanged from the vanilla/classic formula.Dodge chance vs. +3 mob should be
5% + 15 * 0.1% = 6.5%
but instead we're measuring ~6%:Dodge chance vs a same level mob should be 5% but instead we're measuring ~4%:
See #1 for in-depth discussion and measurements.