Stanzas and eledmac

[Doc73]

Dear Maieul, I'm trying to typeset a document with prose and poetry, but I'm finding it hard to understand the documentation about stanza environment. With the following example I get a myriad of errors:

% !TeX program = xelatex
% !TeX encoding = UTF-8
% !TeX spellcheck = it_IT
% !TeX root = Teodicea2.tex
% !BIB TS-program = biber

\documentclass{book}

\usepackage{fontspec}
    \setmainfont[Ligatures=TeX, %
        Numbers=OldStyle, %
        Scale=0.95 %
        ]{Linux Libertine O}

\usepackage{polyglossia}
    \setmainlanguage[babelshorthands=true]{italian}
    \setotherlanguages{latin,greek,german}
        \setkeys{greek}{variant=polytonic}
        \setkeys{german}{babelshorthands=true}

\usepackage{eledmac,eledpar}
    \lineation{page}
    \linenummargin{inner}
    \footparagraph{A}
    \footparagraph{B}
    \footparagraph{C}

\begin{document}
%\beginnumbering
\stanza
Nec tamen, haec cum sint hominumque boumque labores&
uersando terram experti, nihil improbus anser&
Strymoniaeque grues et amaris intiba fibris&
officiunt aut umbra nocet. pater ipse colendi&
haud facilem esse uiam uoluit, primusque per artem&
mouit agros, curis acuens mortalia corda&
nec torpere graui passus sua regna ueterno.&
ante Iouem nulli subigebant arua coloni:&
ne signare quidem aut partiri limite campum&
fas erat; in medium quaerebant, ipsaque tellus&
omnia liberius nullo poscente ferebat.&
ille malum uirus serpentibus addidit atris&
praedarique lupos iussit pontumque moueri,&
mellaque decussit foliis ignemque remouit&
et passim riuis currentia uina repressit,&
ut uarias usus meditando extunderet artis&
paulatim, et sulcis frumenti quaereret herbam,&
ut silicis uenis abstrusum excuderet ignem.&
tunc alnos primum fluuii sensere cauatas;&
nauita tum stellis numeros et nomina fecit&
Pleiadas, Hyadas, claramque Lycaonis Arcton.&
tum laqueis captare feras et fallere uisco&
inuentum et magnos canibus circumdare saltus;&
atque alius latum funda iam uerberat amnem&
alta petens, pelagoque alius trahit umida lina.&
tum ferri rigor atque argutae lammina serrae&
(nam primi cuneis scindebant fissile lignum),&
tum uariae uenere artes. labor omnia uicit&
improbus et duris urgens in rebus egestas.&
prima Ceres ferro mortalis uertere terram&
instituit, cum iam glandes atque arbuta sacrae&
deficerent siluae et uictum Dodona negaret.&
mox et frumentis labor additus, ut mala culmos&
esset robigo segnisque horreret in aruis&
carduus; intereunt segetes, subit aspera silua&
lappaeque tribolique, interque nitentia culta&
infelix lolium et steriles dominantur auenae.&
quod nisi et adsiduis herbam insectabere rastris&
et sonitu terrebis auis et ruris opaci&
falce premes umbras uotisque uocaueris imbrem,&
heu magnum alterius frustra spectabis aceruum&
concussaque famem in siluis solabere quercu.\&
%\endnumbering

\end{document}
%%% Local Variables:
%%% coding: utf-8
%%% mode: latex
%%% TeX-engine: xetex
%%% TeX-master: t
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Am I wrong in something or there is a bug?

Best regards, Domenico

[maieul]

You must use \beginnumbering \endnumbering + \setstanzaindents (to set the indentation of verse and hangingverse) + stanzaindentrepetition (to set it for everytime).

See 1ab40ed and the begining of § 5.

I am hesitating to add clearer message : it will implie to do many test, which we make a slower compilation.=

[Doc73]

Ok! Thanks!

Maybe could you add clearer info in doc?

Other questions: 1) could be possible set number of first verse manually? As you can see, this text is taken from Vergil's Georgics; 2) in \setstanzaindents{2,0} it is not clear the meaning of the numbers and, if I change one of them, nothing appens; 3) is it possible add a manual indent in random verses? It would be useful in epic poems, for example.

In short, IMHO, it might be useful to add some short example in the documentation.

Thank you very much again!

[maieul]

sorry, but in my senses the handbook (not mine !) is very clear

The numerical entries must be whole numbers, 0 or greater, separated by commas without embedded spaces. The first entry gives the hanging indentation to be used if the stanza line requires more than one print line.

In order to use the stanza macros, one must set the indentation values. First the value of \stanzaindentbase should be set, unless the default value 20pt is desired. Every stanza line indentation is a multiple of this.

To specify these multiples one invokes, for example \setstanzaindents{3,1,2,1,2}.

I have also added an example in the example folder

So in the MWE:

• 2 is the indent for hanging verse. Try to write a verse longer than a standard line, you will see.
• the next numbers are the verse indent. In this case, it is the same in all line, that why I set it only 1 time and use stanzaindentrepetition counter. Here, there is no indent, but we could add it, for example to alternate in some type of prose.

See e43070b for must explicit example

So for your question: a) You could do something like \setstanzaindent{0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0} etc and don't use stanzaindentrepetition b) I have answered in this message c) You could do it with setstanzaindent.

Maybe I could add a \stanzaindentexception with will do an exception when called at the begining of a specific verse :

• one version with star : the repetition is omitted for this verse. So with a repetition of 2, I will have a / b / a / b / a / b / c(exception) /b / a /b
• one without star : the repetition is not omitted, but not use. So with a repetition of 2, I will have a / b / a / b / a / b / c(exception) / a / b /a=

[Doc73]

No, no, sorry! In item nr. 1 (a), I was not clear! In my MWE numbering starts with 1, but I wish it started at, for example, 150.

As for the point 3 (c), I think of continue poems, like the Iliad or the Aeneid, in which the indentation does not follow fixed rules.

[maieul]

the way the indentation is managed is independant of the line number. i understand for c. It's possible : you just have to define a list of indent for each verse. I am trying to make it easier ...

[Doc73]

Yes, I understand that point 1 (a) is independet from line number! They are different questions!

Many thanks!

Il giorno gio 22 gen 2015 alle 20:12, Maïeul Rouquette notifications@github.com ha scritto:

the way the indentation is managed is independant of the line number. i understand for c. It's possible : you just have to define a list of indent for each verse. I am trying to make it easier ... — Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub.

[maieul]

for the case where we have a general repetition rule for indent with exception, I have created two command \stanzaindentexception and \stanzaindentexception* which, called at the begining of a verse, could change the indent for a specific verse.

See the file issue226 in the branch issue226.

Is it what you need for Homer?=

[maieul]

I you want to re-write the handbook, send a proposition.

[Doc73]

Tomorrow, I'll try your suggestions.

But I would remember that English is not my language.... Il 22/gen/2015 22:09 "Maïeul Rouquette" notifications@github.com ha scritto:

I you want to re-write the handbook, send a proposition.

— Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub https://github.com/maieul/ledmac/issues/236#issuecomment-71099158.

[maieul]

it is not mine too;-) you can just send an idea of structure.

[Doc73]

@maieul Issue226 or issue236? I can't find an issue226! Later I'll try! I hope today! :-(

[maieul]

236

[Doc73]

Great! The commands work as expected, altough I can't understand the difference between the starred and the not starred version.

The real problem is that the system of repetition seems to me not necessary: it does concern, for example, at least for the classics, a few poetic genres, but NOT epos, drama, etc.

In short, I would suggest to implement, if possible, a system in which by default we can put manual indentation where it is needed. The repetition can become, in short, a possibility at our disposal, but not the norm!

In this way, the code would become simpler, since we could also insert indentation by hand, without even resorting to the system of repetition.

What do you think about my opinion?

[maieul]

the difference between the two version is in managing repetition.

If you don't need repetition, just use

setstanzaindents{2,0}
\setcounter{stanzaindentrepetition}{1}

and use the \stanzaindentexception (which could be rename in \stanzaindent) in each verse.

The \setcounter{stanzaindentrepetition}{1} could not be the default value, because it will break the standard behavior. And I think there is more poems with regular indent than without ...=

[maieul]

I have changed stanzaindentexception to stanzaindent.

For the ≠ between starred and not starred version, see the verses arounde verses 10 and around verses 16. The indentation are not the same...=

[Doc73]

Ah, ok! I now understand!

I can try to rewrite part of the documentation, but I do not promise anything, because I'm very busy!

About the other question, if it's possible to let numbering start from a certain number, for example 140, should I open a new ticket? This feature can be useful in the case of partial editions of longer texts.

[maieul]

I don't understand what is your need for your last problem. \setline is not enough?

[Doc73]

Ah! \setline is perfect!

Simply, I didn't know it.

Mani thanks!!!

[maieul]

I will publish new version. for handbook change, take time...