Closed planemad closed 8 years ago
Realignment trial report 09/16
Revised data improvement strategy
GSI Japan Satellite (ort)
where available and fallback on Bing
in other areas. Most high priority areas have GSI Satellite coverage.
GSI Japan Satellite (ort)
, ignore offsets (<10m) wrt Bing
From tomorrow team-blr will try the above approach and report findings. A log of observations is maintained here
cc @mapbox/team-data
Wow, great progress.
In the interest of keeping the improvement process simple for the community to contribute to, the conclusion was to sacrifice small positional accuracies to maintain large scale data consistency.
@planemad - what does this concretely mean? Can you give an example for that?
@lxbarth to be as accurate as possible we were using Strava and OSM GPS to offset the Bing/GSI imagery for the best match, this is never perfect and results in an offset in another area. These continuous localized corrections which cannot be replicated exactly be someone else and adds to the data inconsistency since no source perfectly will match the data everywhere.
To make it simple, we're just going to use GSI Satellite or Bing as is without offset correction. We will skip realigning data with offsets under 10m from satellite imagery such as these and focus on adding missing roads.
@planemad
I understand all steps. Yes, GSI ortho image layer (ort) has good accuracy.
電子国土基本図(オルソ画像)MaxZoomLv18 http://cyberjapandata.gsi.go.jp/xyz/ort/{z}/{x}/{y}.jpg source=GSImaps/ort
We have started special project team on Facebook Group with Asian addicted mappers, OSM teachers in Japan. My students will join. https://www.facebook.com/groups/697237443754399/
@planemad
Mutsu city area doesn't have good GSI ort images and Strava GPS. We should choice
std 標準地図 MaxZoomLv18 http://cyberjapandata.gsi.go.jp/xyz/std/{z}/{x}/{y}.png source=GSImaps/std
Realignment trial report 09/17
@mapconcierge, what kind of highway will the below road be? a service road, residential road or a living-street road?
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/40.785891873025996/140.7407283726662
Today @planemad @pratikyadav @ruthmaben @nikhilprabhakar and @ramyaragupathy realigned 3201 nodes in the Aomori region.
The focus under pass 1A and 2 was -
Today under pass 3, the team will realign, merge and add missing unclassified, residential roads, living streets.
Realignment Summary
Realignment proposal for Japan Based on these finding this is the proposal for a large scale road network correction for Japan:
cc @mapconcierge @lxbarth @mapbox/team-data
Since we have Aomori completed till pass 2, the @mapbox/team-data is going to follow the similar procedure in the more dense Beppu-Oita region on Kyushu island from today http://tasks.openstreetmap.in/project/44
@mapconcierge would be great to have the OSM-JP community help with the validation of our work and feedback on the process.
While realigning highway junctions, make sure to fix any kinks on branching roads.
Fix any incorrect highway junctions where there is no crossing
.
@mapbox/team-data - Also merge and align the 4 way junctions which are split like this:
We already finished http://tasks.openstreetmap.in/project/31#, which is a pilot task for realignment and adding roads in Chiba.
Those are the number of editions per user
User | Num OSM Objects | Num Changeset | Num nodes V1 | Num nodes Vx | Num ways V1 | Num ways Vx | Num relation V1 | Num relation Vx |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
samely | 77,862 | 333 | 45,220 | 18,416 | 5,856 | 8,370 | 0 | 0 |
RichRico | 65,217 | 441 | 31,035 | 28,070 | 2,511 | 3,601 | 0 | 0 |
karitotp | 64,290 | 215 | 32,538 | 21,848 | 4,531 | 5,370 | 0 | 3 |
Luis36995 | 53,561 | 429 | 24,981 | 21,864 | 2,751 | 3,965 | 0 | 0 |
calfarome | 40,985 | 309 | 19,079 | 16,561 | 2,624 | 2,721 | 0 | 0 |
dannykath | 38,549 | 653 | 20,531 | 11,481 | 3,563 | 2,973 | 0 | 1 |
ediyes | 32,781 | 540 | 15,149 | 12,291 | 2,467 | 2,869 | 0 | 5 |
andygol | 10,087 | 24 | 2,007 | 7,382 | 240 | 455 | 2 | 1 |
abel801 | 31,879 | 289 | 9,912 | 19,519 | 638 | 1,810 | 0 | 0 |
Rub21 | 1,815 | 31 | 759 | 711 | 131 | 214 | 0 | 0 |
pratikyadav | 986 | 26 | 693 | 76 | 158 | 59 | 0 | 0 |
ruthmaben | 767 | 18 | 236 | 405 | 58 | 68 | 0 | 0 |
jinalfoflia | 311 | 7 | 240 | 5 | 52 | 14 | 0 | 0 |
nikhilprabhakar | 310 | 5 | 254 | 9 | 34 | 13 | 0 | 0 |
srividya_c | 294 | 17 | 167 | 14 | 75 | 38 | 0 | 0 |
ramyaragupathy | 266 | 13 | 158 | 29 | 45 | 34 | 0 | 0 |
Chetan_Gowda | 265 | 7 | 154 | 94 | 5 | 12 | 0 | 0 |
Total | 420,225 | 3,357 | 203,113 | 158,775 | 25,739 | 32,586 | 2 | 10 |
Team progress in Chiba Prefecture, Japan.
@mapbox/team-data : I have come across a lot of duplicate roads in the current task that we are doing (Ishikawa). For now we will be ignoring these duplicate roads and will be taking care of it in the later passes.
@mapconcierge, there is this tunnel like construction, what should it be tagged as?
Here is the link to the road.
Japan realignment progress map
https://gist.github.com/planemad/64da69b20ea9705b5673
@jinalfoflia Coincidentally, I've been through that tunnel many times. It's an enclosed "snow shed"/"snow shelter" (スノーシェッド or スノーシェルター) situated at a mountain pass with hills rising on either side.
Here are some pictures of this structure.
It seems like the OSM tagging is covered=yes
.
@mapbox/team-data : Whenever there is a pre-defined tunnel or a bridge such as one in the below image, we are not making any changes due to lack of evidence if the crossing is a bridge or tunnel.
Progress
cc @mapbox/team-data
@friedbunny Thank you :+1:
As there are multiple roads for re-aligning, I tend to miss a few of them. To better keep track of the roads that I modified, I use this style that highlights freshness of data.
/cc @mapbox/team-data
@jinalfoflia nice tip and its always a good practice to upload/download data to keep it in sync.
@mapbox/team-data : We've finished up the pass 2 in http://tasks.openstreetmap.in/project/45, let's start in new task http://tasks.openstreetmap.in/project/48
> @Rub21 OK!! I've confirmed Fukushima Area. Our students team will join today. :-)
> @Rub21 Please add admin permission for Project 48 to me(MAPconcierge), I can translate in Japanese.
@mapconcierge , That is great :) , could you give me your osm users, to add in Task Manager, hmm but I think first you have to login http://tasks.openstreetmap.in/, after it I can give you permission to access.
> @Rub MAPconcierge http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/MAPconcierge
> @lxbarth That's great!! :-)
Japanese Students are doing now!!
This is amazing @mapconcierge !
Has there been any confusion from the students, maybe you can translate the instructions in Japanese for the task?
@planemad Yes, of course!! :-)
@mapconcierge sorry, thought you were already admin, done now. Also lets have subsequent tasks on http://tasks.teachosm.org with multilingual instructions, it would be great to have the community select the area that needs to be worked on based on imagery coverage map https://gist.github.com/planemad/64da69b20ea9705b5673 .
You can count on the full force of @mapbox/team-data to join in as soon as a task is up :rocket:
We don't have GSI imagery in Japan road improvement: Fukushima I think that we have finished the task.
@planemad
@mapbox/team-data , I've added other task to improve Japan, #49 - Japan road improvement: Mito if you can not find more blocks to work in #48 - Japan road improvement: Fukushima can you jump to this new one
> @planemad Okay thanks, I'm doing translation in Japanese. :-) http://tasks.openstreetmap.in/project/48
Mapping report of Ishikawa task
Key observations
@mapbox/team-data based on the above observations and a voice discussion, it was decided to continue mapping in separate passes for future tasks. The most important reason for this is to detect quality issues from the previous pass.
@mapbox/team-data : Do not combine roads with different maxspeed
tags
Seeing a lot of holes/missing strips in GSI japan satellite imagery which are not actually one when we zoom in.
@mapbox/team-data
Pass 1 and 2 done on two tasks for the parts with Japan GSI Satellite Imagery coverage.
48 - Japan road improvement: Fukushima
49 - Japan road improvement: Mito
Currently @mapbox/team-data is working on 54 - Japan road improvement: Osaka
cc @mapconcierge
For later consideration, it would interesting to log who is editing in the TM outside the data team. This is just to highlight that this work is with the rest of community in Japan.
cc @mapconcierge
Important: Relations on ways combine without warning JOSM allows combining ways with different relations without any warning. In this example, roads with the same tags but part of different bus route relations were merged with no warning dialog. This will break the bus route relation. Do not merge ways that are part of different relations.
Bug report has been filed in JOSM trac: https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/11945
cc @mapbox/team-data
In order not to miss anything - use Todo Plugin
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/TODO_list
Update
> @planemad @lxbarth @maning @Rub21
I've translated @PlaneMad's post on diary of OSM.org in Japanese. http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/MAPconcierge/diary/36106
For selecting continous way use Shift + W
. It grabs the continous active way upto the next intersection.
Fliter out bridges
,tunnels
and minor roads.
Just keep an eye on tags
while merging.
I've translated @PlaneMad's post on diary of OSM.org in Japanese. http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/MAPconcierge/diary/36106
So amazing. Thank you @mapconcierge !
Your too :-) > @lxbarth Thanks for great challenge for Asian mappers.
@mapbox/team-data to speed up segment merging, JOSM can be configured to discard the yh:WIDTH
tag automatically when editing. To do this search for the tags.discardable
property in advanced JOSM settings and add yh:WIDTH
to the list.
JOSM and iD will be updated in the next release to do this automatically for new users.
Update
Based on observations from #116. There are multiple data issues in japan which requires a comprehensive cleanup strategy with close involvement of the Japanese OSM community.
This ticket will track all the high level conversations and strategy on improving OSM data for Japan.
Existing data issues
Data improvement strategy
Next steps
cc @mapbox/team-data