[Finland] Reviewing osmlint-osmium and osmlint data issues

[sbelemey]

Background

As part of on-going work to improve the quality of OpenStreetMap data, we use internal Mapbox data validation jobs that search OSM data for errors for detecting issues related to road network data in Finland. In total, we are going to review issues in 9 categories.

Our plan is to review all detected issues and fix it in OpenStreetMap. There's a link to the OSM Wiki page.

Timeframe

We are going to start review at the end of April 2022.

Tools

We will use existing OpenStreetMap editing tools, we will use #hashtag for the project #mapbox_linters_finland

Editor: iD Satellite Imagery: MML Orthophoto, City of Turku ortophoto, Bing, Maxar, Esri Street Level Imagery: Mapillary, OpenStreetCam, other open sources if available

Contact Person

We welcome feedback, suggestions, and insights from local mappers. If you have questions about this work, or a specific edit by our team, please reach out to Natallia (natallia.zhouner@mapbox.com). Also you can leave a comment in a changesets.

Linter Output for Finland

Here are json files by categories, you can watch them through geojson.io Issue	Data
Crossing Highways	FI_crossinghighways.zip
Mixed Layer	FI_mixedlayer.zip
Island Highways	FI_islandhighways.zip
Impossible Angle	FI_impossibleangles.zip
Impossible Oneway	FI_impossibleoneways.zip
Missing Type Restriction	FI_tr-missing_type_restriction_tr.zip
Missing Role	FI_tr-missing_role_tr.zip
Excessive Roles	FI_tr-excessive_role_tr.zip
Invalid Role	FI_tr-invalid_role_tr.zip

cc @abrohood @shvrm @lukasmartinelli @vladaboitsik @sonyahilchik

[SomeoneElseOSM]

Hello,

Please answer (on this issue and every other country issue) the same questions that were asked at https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues/387 , and make sure that a local mailing list also sees those answers.

Simply posting the same link without explanation for every country is not good enough.

-- Andy (SomeoneElse, from OSM's Data Working Group)

[sbelemey]

Hi, @SomeoneElseOSM! Our project documentation (wiki page and ticket) have an actual information. On our wiki page there're links on the pages with more detailed info about project, which contains categories and examples, and also page about how we deal with feedback. We seem through maining lists every day and promptly answers all the questions. Here is the links on wiki pages (located on the main wiki page): Mapbox linters types description How Mapbox Data RAVE team work on receiving feedback from OSM users

best regards, sbelemey

[SomeoneElseOSM]

Thanks - but that there are a couple of issues with that.

One is that communication isn't occurring - hence the angry reply at http://lists.openstreetmap.ch/pipermail/talk-ch/2022-April/011470.html ,

Another is that the quality of some of Mapbox's mapping doesn't reflect https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/How_Mapbox_Data_RAVE_team_work_on_receiving_feedback_from_OSM_users . The DWG have had a number of issues recently where Mapbox editors have changed something from "wrong, and detected by a QA metric" to "differently wrong, but not detected by a QA metric". In the long term editing like this harms the quality of OSM because it prevents mappers fixing problems properly.

Obviously we (the DWG) raise issues with individual mappers and if necessary with Mapbox directly but the worrying thing is that Mapbox as a company appears not to be learning from its mistakes - Mapbox has been involved with (and dependent on) OSM data for many years now but we're still seeing examples of really poor quality mapping, of the "just remove a tag so that a detected error goes away, never mind if it actually matches the actual situation" variety.

[sbelemey]

@SomeoneElseOSM Thanks for your feedback. We will discuss it within the company and give you an answer soon.

best regards, sergey

[sbelemey]

Hi, @SomeoneElseOSM! thanks for your message! We sent a detailed answer to the mailing list.

best regards, sergey