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Japan hierarchy mistake: "Kyoto" is not on Shikoku; Kyoto is in the Kansai Region #6104

Open jeffrey-friedl opened 7 years ago

jeffrey-friedl commented 7 years ago

(I thought I reported this a year ago, but I can't find it now....)

In the map hierarchy for Japan, "Kyoto" is misfiled. Currently (in 7.3.3.1) Kyoto is filed within "Shikoku". It should be within "Kansai Region".

This is a matter of fact, not opinion. Shikoku is an island, and Kyoto is not on that island. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shikoku)

The exact meaning of "Kansai" has fluctuated over the last millennium, but it has always included Kyoto.

lrabiet commented 7 years ago

Is it MAPS.ME related ? Should it not be reported/fixed on OpenStreetMap side ?

jeffrey-friedl commented 7 years ago

I have the impression it's on the MAPS.me side, but I don't know the actual origin of this data. Kyoto is not physically on (or even near) Shikoku Island, so a graphically hierarchical mistake of the kind one might find on OSM seems unlikely. This kind of mistake smells like a configuration-file mistake.

thany commented 7 years ago

Talking about the "download maps" feature in the app? I get the impression those categories are hand-crafted, and therefor the problem is to be fixed by maps.me, not by OSM.

jeffrey-friedl commented 7 years ago

Yes, talking about the "download maps" feature in the app. I should have mentioned that important tidbit of context in my original note, sorry!

Zverik commented 7 years ago

Thanks for the report. Another user suggested that "Kyoto pref is Kinki area" — which one is more correct?

jeffrey-friedl commented 7 years ago

Hi Zverik, In the case of this app and its current geographic hierarchy, adding Kyoto to the current "Kansai Region" section seems best.

More detail in case anyone cares...

"Kansai" is a common geographic breakdown for a wide area that is on par its siblings. It's the western counterpart to the "Kanto Region". The current set of regions (Chubu/Chugoku/Hokkaido/Kansai/Kanto/Kyushu/Shikoku/Tohoku) is how a native Japanese would divvy up the country (though they would list the regions from north to south, not alphabetically). Japanese kids learn these in school.

"Kinki" is a common colloquial name for a smaller but less-well-defined region centering on Kyoto. Kyoto is certainly within both Kinki and Kansai, but where Kinki stops, and what to call the areas that border it, are vague. A map of Kyoto and its surroundings could be labeled "Kinki", but to the best of my knowledge, "Kinki" is never used when considering the whole country. If I recall my son's education, Japanese kids learn "Kinki" in school when studying Kyoto's history (the capital of Japan was in Kyoto or nearby for ~1,500 years, prior to early 1600s).

thany commented 7 years ago

I think the best way to get this issue resolved is not to discuss naming convention, but to provide a PR. We have already seen the maps.me team is completely unable and/or unwilling to resolve the simplest of issues, and this one is no different.