FreeBSD already comes with a program called vis

[passstab]

You might want to change the name of this project https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=vis&sektion=1&apropos=0&manpath=freebsd Edit: that software is also included in openbsd http://man.openbsd.org/vis.1 and netbsd http://netbsd.gw.com/cgi-bin/man-cgi?vis+1+NetBSD-6.0

[msiism]

@josuah: Could you add vise to the poll as well?

[ghost]

From all the proposed names, vie is the one I like the most.

[hholst80]

My two cents on this garbage fire.

Global namespace is considered harmful. This project should not concern itself with the legacy interoperability of filenames on BSD. We can discuss what potential binary names could fit but it is the problem of the downstream packager to fix it how they seem fit. Meanwhile vis works just fine on my distro because there is no vis package nor vis binary and it installs as such. Go ahead and package it as visam why not there are infinite possibilities. Package maintainer makes the call and will maintain his choice for a long time and the founder of this project made his: vis.

[ghost]

suggesting vise as it is named on OpenBSD - the obsession with 3 character names is absurd when it's as unhelpful as it so far has been

[Henry-Wilson]

@hholst80 I agree. One software project is not responsible for avoiding all the names of other projects, obscure or not. The role of a project is simply to produce functional, clean software. The package management system for a given distro is responsible, as the whole point of package management is to satisfy dependencies and resolve conflicts.

The project is afforded the right to brand itself how it sees fit. Now, if for the sake of that branding we might rather call this project vise or visam or anything else, so be it. But if you all as project developers are satisfied with the name vis, so be that, too.

I am certainly satisfied as a user. Perhaps other potential users would be influenced by a "better" name; I wouldn't know. I stumbled across this project in my search for a good editor, and the name struck me as (hopefully) reflective of simplicity in the project.

[xxzozaxx]

what about 9vi ?!

Plan 9 powered VI [Optional extra letters Editor, Sam]

[lanodan]

[2019-12-12 10:35:44-0800] Ahmed Khaled:

what about 9vi ?!

Plan 9 powered VI [Optional letters Editor, Sam]

Why not but the only Plan9 thing is sam.c and 9* is usually more for Plan9 (From User) Space.

[filipencopav]

@paride "svi" is even easier on dvorak

[noorwachid]

I like 2 letters.

why not vs for vi + sam? no one uses it? vscode use code. vn for vi plan 9. and the most crazy i found no one uses. ai for sam vi.

[7v0lk0v]

I'm with @Henry-Wilson and @hholst80.

I stumbled across this project in my search for a good editor, and the name struck me as (hopefully) reflective of simplicity in the project.

My thoughts exactly.

For all the talk about what would be an easy/short name to type... just add whatever shell alias you prefer. After ls and cd your editor of choice is probably the most invoked command, so typing even two chars is too much - I alias vis to just e (edit), just as ls is just l (a default alias on most systems) and cd is c.

[plasmoduck]

svi, keep it simple, stupid. Suckless/Simple VIm = svi

[ukn-ubi]

I really like svi, especially since vis is a great compliment to a system running suckless software

[jzbor]

Here are my two cts: Have you considered 'vine'? It is easy to pronounce an just straight up mixture of 'vi' and 'nine'. There is a Japanese Linux distro with this name, but no binary as far as I have checked. Also 'nive' but it might sound a little violent... Other than that I really like the idea of 'vie'.

[rafaelveggi]

"mestre", from "Combining modal editing with structural regular expressions" But vis is a better name.

[plasmoduck]

Too long to type lol

[ddkn]

@3dc1d3: just add whatever shell alias you prefer

One annoyance is when you type man your_alias and it fails with "No manual entry for your_alias".

I run vis on Mac, Windows, OpenBSD, and rarely Linux. A consistent name would be nice across all OS's or distros, at this point I would just prefer consistency over anything else at the moment. Even though I am in favour of something short like vie (vi enhanced/extended) or svi (sam vi), which isn't much different from vis (vi sam).

For example: On Mac: man vis-editor On OpenBSD: man vise

Moving around systems makes it annoying, but that is my use case, which may be unique.

[mcepl]

I propose "stika"[stika] which comes from lojban:

Also, štika is Esox (or pike) in Czech and Esox is too much underutilized name considering how beautiful fish it is. Not mentioning Rob Pike, of course.

However, I would vote for siv or svi myself.

[plasmoduck]

sted - simple text editor

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I propose "stika http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/stika"[stika] which comes from lojban:

Also, štika https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%A0tika is Esox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esox (or pike) in Czech and Esox is too much underutilized name considering how beautiful fish it is.

However, I would vote for siv or svi myself.

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[mcepl]

svi, keep it simple, stupid. Suckless/Simple VIm = svi

Except it is not: simple VI is not an editor with Lua plugins etc. If you need something truly suckless than I would go for nvi or something of that ilk.

Exactly, not to confuse this with vi, I would suggest siv.

[rumaks-xyz]

I propose via.

• If vis stands for vi + sam, then via could stand for vi + sam or vi + acme
• Appears to not be taken by any other programs (please correct me if I'm wrong on this)
• via sounds somewhat similar to Lua.
• It only differs from vis and vim by one character and is equally easy to type.
• Just like Vim, Vis is mostly based on vi, so it makes sense that the name would start with vi

[johngebbie]

You've probably been waiting for my suggestion:

vix - vi extended

[mcepl]

I have no idea who has the authority to adjudicate on this one? @martanne ? @ninewise ? @rnpnr ? Could we get this to some conclusion, please?

[rnpnr]

If your package repository doesn't have categories then I think vis-editor or vise is fine with the first preferred. Same goes for the binary.

What @martanne said 5 years ago is also true:

In practical terms users properly use a shell alias anyway.

If this has to be done I think the best suggestion I have seen is siv. @mcepl is correct, this isn't simple/suckless vi; the s stands for sam or 'Structural Regular Expressions'. The name should avoid that misrepresentation.

In any case @martanne is the one who would have to do this since the repo would need to be renamed not just the binary.

For the time being I am considering locking this conversation since we don't really need anymore suggestions.

[mcepl]

• If vis stands for vi + sam, then via could stand for vi + sam or vi + acme

Except vis has almost nothing common with ACME, which is mostly GUI, shell-like or IDE-like environment, while vis is a very simple editor-only.

[polluks2]

macOS also comes with a program called vis: "display non-printable characters in a visual format"

[VehementHam]

I like 2 letters.

why not vs for vi + sam? no one uses it? vscode use code. vn for vi plan 9. and the most crazy i found no one uses. ai for sam vi.

I aliased vis to vs

[mcepl]

macOS also comes with a program called vis: "display non-printable characters in a visual format"

MacOS uses a lot of *BSD utils, so this is actually the same vis(1) with which this issue started.