fengkaijia commented 10 years ago

Please remove commit 4e47c8aba3bf146292f6e9d38aa0151c383e6c33.

This commit deeply hurt the Chinese Piwik community and should be immediately removed from Piwik.

fengkaijia commented 10 years ago

Maps should not base on points of views but reflect the current situation of the world which should include the simple fact that not a single country in the world officially recognized Tibet as an independent country.

mattab commented 10 years ago

good point @fengkaijia

but in our case, we are not even a single country... we are the Internet. We are the human community! It will be a challenge to find status quo when learning to live together, but challenging our world view is important. We are not a country, we are the Internets the network that unifies us all, brothers of the earth!

fengkaijia commented 10 years ago

@mattab The following is the result of a 2010 online vote by the show Larry King Live on CNN. Over 90% of the Internet didn't agree that Tibet should be an independent country.

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Challenging the would view doesn't mean we could ignore the voice of vast majority. There are also groups of people in the US seeking secession, but should we remove Alaska, Texas, Vermont, etc. from the US map? Absolutely No.

kenny666111 commented 10 years ago

I agree.

tolbkni commented 10 years ago

Deeply agree.

pandarison commented 10 years ago

I agree.

codepiano commented 10 years ago

+1

mattab commented 10 years ago

Looks like we can also remove Alaska from the US map with a free Alaska commit

maybe there is similar recent history of oppression in Alaska?

More info & context https://github.com/piwik/piwik/issues/6994#issuecomment-69875712

More information about Tibet

That's true that Tibet officially beyond to China, since the military annexation in 1950. China invaded Tibet in 1950. Its occupation has resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Tibetans and the imprisonment and torture of thousands more.

After a failed uprising against Chinese rule in 1959, Tibet’s political and spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, fled into exile in India followed by tens of thousands of Tibetans.

Inside its borders and across the world, Tibetans have never stopped believing Tibet is a nation. Since 1959, they have continued to oppose and resist China's rule and China has responded with intense repression.

In 2014, US think tank Freedom House ranked Tibet among the twelve worst countries in the world for repression of political and civil rights.

Geography

'Tibet' refers to the three original provinces of U-Tsang, Kham and Amdo.
When the Chinese refer to Tibet, they invariably mean the Tibet Autonomous Region or TAR, which includes only U-Tsang.
The Chinese renamed Amdo as the province of Qinghai and Kham was incorporated into the Chinese provinces of Sichuan, Gansu and Yunnan.

Here are just some of the challenges faced by Tibetans as a result of China's occupation.

Economic discrimination.

In many places, Tibetans are a minority as a result of China's encouragement of ethnic Chinese migration to Tibet.
The language of business in Tibet is now Chinese. Many Tibetans are not literate in Chinese and are disadvantaged in business and the jobs market.
Most Tibetans work in agricultural sector while most economic activity outside of agriculture is controlled by the central government or state owned corporations.
Most tourist activity is located in urban centres where the main employees are ethnic Chinese migrants.
The Chinese government has forced thousands of Tibetans to abandon their traditional rural nomadic lifestyle and move into new housing colonies or towns. Many of these people do not have the skills or experience to compete for jobs in the urban environment.

Religious suppression

Since 1949, the Chinese have destroyed over 6,000 Tibetan Buddhist monasteries and shrines.
By 1978 only 8 monasteries and 970 monks and nuns remained in the TAR.
The number of monks and nuns allowed to enter monasteries and nunneries is limited. Any reference or images of the Dalai Lama are banned.
The Chinese government places officials in every monastery to monitor and often to control religious activity.

Political oppression

The Chinese have responded to uprisings with extreme violence and around 300,000 Chinese soldiers are posted in Tibet.
Tibetans are subject to intense surveillance of their daily activities and communications.
China has repeatedly violated UN conventions through extensive use of torture against Tibetan political prisoners - often monks or nuns.
Tibet is governed directly by the Chinese Communist Party in Beijing. No Tibetan has ever been appointed Party Secretary - the most senior government post - in the TAR.

We are not picking on China in particular!

We treat all human rights violations equally. We do not support the United States' past support of dictators and its more recent abuse of prisoners. We do not support the UK government's use of Piwik to spy on its citizens. We do not support Israel's bi-annual bombing of Gaza, nor Hamas' acts of terrorism. We support no act of violence or oppression.

There is only one thing Piwik supports: peace. We hope you will use Piwik to further the presence of peace in the world and we hope you too will stand up against any injustice you see.

"The thing that we need in the world today is a group of men and women who will stand up for right and to be opposed to wrong, wherever it is. A group of people who have come to see that some things are wrong, whether they're never caught up with. And some things are right, whether nobody sees you doing them or not." - Martin Luther King Jr

pandarison commented 10 years ago

Maybe there is similar recent history of oppression in Tibet? Have you been there? On Aug 15, 2014, at 23:29, Matthieu Aubry notifications@github.com wrote:

Looks like we can also remove Alaska from the US map with a free Alaska commit

maybe there is similar recent history of oppression in Alaska?

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hutushen222 commented 10 years ago

@mattab yes, the internet is a no boundary country, but in the real world Tibet is belonging to China, +1 for revert 4e47c8a

qiuai commented 10 years ago

I agree.

zzcworld commented 10 years ago

Open source software should not be a place for a single developer to express their political demands. Besides, this commit is not based on fact and hurts deeply the Chinese piwik community. I'm pretty sure that @mattab is not willing to see another fork because of this, so I support removing this commit.

binaryoung commented 9 years ago

Deeply agree.+1

peanode commented 9 years ago

Deeply agree +1

jeehou commented 9 years ago

Deeply agree +1

JokerQyou commented 8 years ago

I'm not saying which view of world is better or true, but this commit simply breaks the basic law here in China. Not only will it hurt Chinese piwik community, it might also prevent some users from using piwik, considering it's probably illegal.

khlipeng commented 8 years ago

Tibei and Taiwan should be a part of China

mars333 commented 7 years ago

Deeply agree +1