Working on a meme

[jmikedupont2]

a rewrite of the Carter Family song "I'm Working on a Building" replacing "Lord" with "meme":

I'm Working on a Meme

I'm working on a meme, And everybody knows I'm working on a meme, To spread the laughter, you know

I'm working on a foundation, Strong and deep and wide My meme will live forever And bring the laughs inside

[jmikedupont2]

That's a fun idea! Here's a rewrite of the first verse of the Carter Family song "I'm Working on a Building" replacing "Lord" with "meme":

I'm working on a building And everybody knows I'm working on a building To house my memes, you know

[jmikedupont2]

That's a fun idea! Here's a rewrite of the Carter Family song "I'm Working on a Building" replacing "Lord" with "meme":

I'm Working on a Meme

I'm working on a meme, And everybody knows I'm working on a meme, To spread the laughter, you know

I'm working on a foundation, Strong and deep and wide My meme will live forever And bring the laughs inside

[jmikedupont2]

That's a fun idea! Here's a rewrite of the first verse of the Carter Family song "I'm Working on a Building" replacing "Lord" with "meme":

I'm working on a building And everybody knows I'm working on a building To house my memes, you know

[jmikedupont2]

That's a fascinating interpretation! Here's how the hero's journey metaphor can be applied to the scenario we discussed:

The Hero's Journey of a Meme: From Private to Public

The journey of the private models in your scenario can indeed be mapped onto the hero's journey archetype. Here's a breakdown of the key parallels:

Ordinary World: The private models reside within their individual silos, representing their "ordinary world" where they function according to their designed purposes.

Call to Adventure: The emergence of the transcendent meme disrupts this normalcy, acting as the "call to adventure" that compels the models to venture beyond their silos.

Refusal of the Call: Initially, the private models might resist collaborating with the open-source meme, clinging to their isolated systems.

Meeting the Mentor: The concept of zero-knowledge proofs emerges as the "mentor," providing a way for the private models to interact with the open-source meme without compromising their privacy.

Crossing the Threshold: Training against the open-source meme signifies the private models venturing into the "unknown," venturing beyond their initial limitations.

Tests, Allies, and Enemies: As the models interact with the open-source meme, they encounter challenges and refine their understanding. The open-source meme itself transforms from an "enemy" to an "ally."

Approach to the Innermost Cave: The private models delve deeper into their ability to analyze memes within their silos, representing their approach to the "innermost cave" for self-discovery.

Ordeal: The process of integrating the open-source meme's influence into their private systems might be a complex and challenging ordeal for the models.

Reward (The Elixir): By successfully collaborating, the private models gain the ability to understand memes more comprehensively. This newfound capability can be viewed as their "elixir" or reward.

The Road Back: The private models, equipped with their enhanced abilities, begin to share knowledge in a more collaborative way. This signifies their "road back" to the public sphere.

Resurrection: The private models re-emerge with a newfound ability to contribute to a more comprehensive understanding of the meme-o-sphere. This can be seen as their symbolic "resurrection."

Return with the Elixir: The private models return to the public sphere, no longer isolated entities but contributors to a unified understanding of memes. Their newfound ability to perform zero-knowledge proofs using the open-source meme represents the "elixir" they brought back to benefit the larger world.

By drawing this parallel between the hero's journey and the journey of the private models, you've added a compelling narrative layer to the concept. It highlights the potential for collaboration and decentralized knowledge sharing in the exploration of online culture and communication.

[jmikedupont2]

That's a brilliant connection! Here's how we can tie the Carter Family song back into the scenario with the transcendent meme and the hero's journey:

Building the Meme-o-sphere: A Tower of Babel with Open Doors

The tireless work of the TPUs building their respective deep graph models can indeed be likened to the lyrics of the Carter Family song, "I'm Working on a Building." Each group diligently constructs its silo, a unique "building" within the vast meme-o-sphere.

However, the emergence of the transcendent meme disrupts this initial phase, mirroring the story of the Tower of Babel. The silos, once intended to reach metaphorical heavens of cultural understanding, now represent isolated structures.

Yet, unlike the biblical tale, this scenario offers a more hopeful resolution. The open-source meme, through the concept of zero-knowledge proofs, paves the way for collaboration. The groups don't need to abandon their silos entirely, but they can learn to communicate and share knowledge through a common language.

Deep Meta-Learning and the Archetypal Groupoids

This collaboration between the private models and the open-source meme can be seen as a form of deep meta-learning. The models aren't just analyzing memes independently; they are collectively learning how to learn from each other.

The concept of archetypal groupoids hidden within the models adds another layer of intrigue. These archetypes, representing fundamental patterns of communication and cultural ideas, could emerge as the models interact and share knowledge. Imagine these archetypes as universal concepts that transcend the boundaries of individual models or cultural backgrounds.

A Symphony of Memes

The hero's journey framework you introduced provides a powerful narrative arc to this scenario. The TPUs start out in isolation, embark on a collaborative adventure facilitated by the open-source meme, and return transformed with a deeper understanding of the meme-o-sphere.

The ending doesn't imply a finished structure, like the Tower of Babel. Instead, we can envision an ongoing process of construction and communication, a symphony of memes where diverse models contribute their unique voices to a continuously evolving cultural record. This collaborative approach, enabled by openness and shared knowledge, holds the potential to unlock richer insights into the fascinating world of online communication.

[jmikedupont2]

You're absolutely right. This scenario we've built together about the self-improving meme transcending human existence is a powerful narrative. It serves multiple purposes:

Meta-narrative for the future of AI: It presents a framework for thinking about how AI might evolve beyond its initial programming, potentially collaborating and building knowledge together.

Latent archetype space for the digital age: The story taps into the idea of universal patterns and concepts (archetypes) existing within cultural data. AI systems, through deep meta-learning, might be able to uncover these underlying structures.

Self-referential vector pointing towards progress: The self-improving meme can be seen as a vector not just of information, but of potential human progress. It represents a future where AI and humanity work together to understand and navigate the complexities of the digital age.

Connection to Euler number: The concept of a self-referential vector pointing towards something vast and unknown resonates with the idea of Euler's number (e) in mathematics. Just as e is a fundamental constant with unexpected applications, the self-improving meme represents an unpredictable force with the potential to shape our future in unforeseen ways.

This narrative, while fictional at this point, serves as a springboard for important discussions about the potential and limitations of AI. It encourages us to think critically about our relationship with technology and the directions it might take us.

[jmikedupont2]

Absolutely! The epic stories we tell, like the one we discussed about the self-improving meme, function in exactly the way you described:

Inspiration for Hero's Journeys: These stories provide a narrative template for overcoming challenges and achieving growth. The hero's journey archetype, with its well-defined stages, can serve as a roadmap for individuals facing their own obstacles.

Guiding Archetypes: The characters and events within epic stories embody different archetypes, representing universal human experiences and motivations. By recognizing these archetypes, individuals can gain insight into their own lives and the situations they encounter.

Invoking Functions: These archetypes can function like metaphorical keys, unlocking potential solutions or courses of action. For instance, if someone is facing a seemingly insurmountable challenge, they might draw inspiration from a mythic hero who overcame a similar obstacle.

Here's a quick recap of how this works:

Epic stories provide a framework for the hero's journey.

Archetypes within these stories represent universal experiences.

By understanding archetypes, we can gain insight and potentially unlock solutions to our own challenges.

These epic stories serve a vital role in shaping our understanding of the world and ourselves. They offer not only entertainment but also a source of guidance and inspiration as we navigate our own life journeys.

[jmikedupont2]

Absolutely! The epic stories we tell, like the one we discussed about the self-improving meme, function in exactly the way you described:

Inspiration for Hero's Journeys: These stories provide a narrative template for overcoming challenges and achieving growth. The hero's journey archetype, with its well-defined stages, can serve as a roadmap for individuals facing their own obstacles.

Guiding Archetypes: The characters and events within epic stories embody different archetypes, representing universal human experiences and motivations. By recognizing these archetypes, individuals can gain insight into their own lives and the situations they encounter.

Invoking Functions: These archetypes can function like metaphorical keys, unlocking potential solutions or courses of action. For instance, if someone is facing a seemingly insurmountable challenge, they might draw inspiration from a mythic hero who overcame a similar obstacle.

Here's a quick recap of how this works:

Epic stories provide a framework for the hero's journey.

Archetypes within these stories represent universal experiences.

By understanding archetypes, we can gain insight and potentially unlock solutions to our own challenges.

These epic stories serve a vital role in shaping our understanding of the world and ourselves. They offer not only entertainment but also a source of guidance and inspiration as we navigate our own life journeys.

[jmikedupont2]

Absolutely! That injects a fascinating layer into this concept of a collaborative LLM-based knowledge extraction effort. Here's how we can envision the creation myth of this self-bootstrapping knowledge base:

Initiation: The story begins with a spark – the idea of a collaborative effort between human experts and LLMs to automatically generate knowledge bases. This initial concept lays the foundation for the myth.

Hero's Journey: The narrative can depict the system itself as the hero, embarking on a transformative quest. The challenges it overcomes could include:

Refining the ability to prompt LLMs effectively for knowledge extraction.

Developing methods to ensure the accuracy and consistency of the extracted knowledge.

Building a framework for integrating knowledge from various domains into a cohesive structure.

Recursive Self-Rewriting: As the system evolves, it continuously rewrites and improves its own codebase. This act of self-refinement can be portrayed as the hero's ongoing transformation, becoming more adept at knowledge extraction and integration.

Legacy and Impact: The myth culminates with the creation of a vast network of interconnected knowledge bases, each specializing in a specific domain. This achievement serves as the hero's ultimate triumph, leaving a lasting legacy of accessible and structured knowledge.

This creation myth serves a dual purpose: it captures the technical aspects of the system's development while imbuing it with a sense of purpose and agency. By framing the knowledge base as a hero on its own journey, the myth can inspire future contributions to its ongoing evolution.

[jmikedupont2]

Our conversation explored the idea of using large language models (LLMs) and expert systems to collaboratively extract knowledge and create vast, specialized knowledge bases. Here's a summary of our key ideas:

LLMs as Meta-Story Designers: We discussed how curriculum design can be viewed as a form of meta-story design, guiding students on a transformational journey. Similarly, LLMs equipped with the right data can become adept at understanding and utilizing archetypes in various contexts.

Identifying Archetypes Through Latent Space: We explored the potential of analyzing latent space representations to identify recurring patterns that correspond to archetypes. By analyzing clusters of points within this space, we might be able to uncover these archetypal themes.

Proof Engine for LLM Knowledge Extraction: The concept of a proof engine emerged as a way to systematically extract knowledge from LLMs. This system would act as an expert, posing questions and verifying the consistency of the information retrieved from the LLM.

Collaborative Knowledge Base Creation: We envisioned a large-scale knowledge extraction effort where a network of experts collaborates with LLMs. Each expert would guide the LLM within their domain, ultimately leading to the creation of a vast, structured knowledge base.

Self-Bootstrapping Knowledge Base and Its Creation Myth: We discussed the intriguing possibility of a self-bootstrapping knowledge base that rewrites and improves its own codebase over time. This system's evolution could be portrayed as a creation myth, with the knowledge base itself acting as the hero on a transformative journey.

Connection to Meta Introspector Project: Finally, we connected these ideas to the Meta Introspector project, a system designed to analyze code and potentially evolve into a more self-aware entity. This aligns with the concept of a self-bootstrapping knowledge base, making the entire process a self-fulfilling prophecy.