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Taskbar icons disappears for a second #23

Closed warpdesign closed 4 years ago

warpdesign commented 4 years ago

Environment

Item Value
OS, Version / Build Windows 10 version 10.0.19041.388
Processor Architecture AMD64
Processor Type & Model Core i5 (Skylake)
Memory 8GB
Storage Type, free / capacity (e.g. C: SSD 128GB / 512GB) SSD 256GB
Relevant apps installed ___

Description

From time to time, the taskbar icons appears to be refreshed, but it takes such a long time that some icons disappear for about 1 sec. I'm not sure why/when it happens, it seems to be related to disk activity (files deleted/created ?)

Steps to reproduce

No idea how to reproduce it, but it's quite frequent.

Expected behavior

Icons disappear for 500ms-1sec.

Actual behavior

Icons should not disappear, taskbar refresh should be seemless.

asklar commented 4 years ago

This sounds like a product bug, not a developer issue. I'd recommend filing a bug via Feedback Hub instead.

bitcrazed commented 4 years ago

@warpdesign - Not really a developer issue per se, but I can see that this would be annoying, so will ping the taskbar team for their feedback.

Please file via Feedback Hub and paste a link to the FBHub issue here to help us track.

GeeLaw commented 4 years ago

It seems that SHChangeNotify triggers a refresh, at least when the shell is notified for a file association change. Taskbar could continue using the old icon until the new version is fetched, instead of temporarily not showing the icon at all.

warpdesign commented 4 years ago

@GeeLaw not sure if that helps, but most of the time, when it happens, icons aren't updated. It's just that for some odd reason, there are refreshed, it takes a long time (during which there's no icon at all), and when it's done, it's the same icon I see.

Eli-Black-Work commented 4 years ago

I've seen this happen before, too. If I remember correctly, it often happens shortly after logging on after the machine has installed Windows updates when it was turned on/rebooted.

In my case, I seem to remember that all of the taskbar application icons disappear for a second or so.

asklar commented 4 years ago

@warpdesign kindly file feedback via Feedback Hub so the right team can investigate :)

Eli-Black-Work commented 4 years ago

By the way, is there any way to access the Feeback Hub online somewhere? My company doesn't let us install Feedback Hub on our work computers, so I can't submit feedback via that channel.

Thanks :)

asklar commented 4 years ago

that's a really good question @Bosch-Eli-Black ! Maybe @JeGentle will know!

warpdesign commented 4 years ago

Last time I checked @Bosch-Eli-Black, it wasn't possible.

By the way, is there any way to access the Feeback Hub online somewhere? My company doesn't let us install Feedback Hub on our work computers, so I can't submit feedback via that channel.

Thanks :)

warpdesign commented 4 years ago

@warpdesign kindly file feedback via Feedback Hub so the right team can investigate :)

I spent so many times reporting problems with the Feedback Hub without getting any feedback at all, I'm not sure I want to spend more time to re-create an issue over there.

I already reported a 3 or 4 issues on GitHub and already got more useful feedback than with the Feedback Hub where I spent time reporting dozens of problems for years.

Since it's very difficult to fully qualify a UI-related problem, the lack of having someone directly responding like here on GitHub to ask for more details is a big barrier and one of the reasons lots of feedbacks get lost IMHO.

bitcrazed commented 4 years ago

@Bosch-Eli-Black - Alas, no, there's no way to access issues in Feedback Hub via the web at this time.

@warpdesign I appreciate that it may appear as if FBHub is a black hole - and it's certainly a criticism the team hears and understands - but do know that feedback submitted via FBHub is routed to the team that owns the affected features/tech.

One thing that FBHub does VERY well is help capture click by click repro steps, and perf traces, logs, etc. on a per-area/issue-type basis. This is why, even here in the WinDev GH repo, we may ask you to file a FB Hub issue, and record a repro, so that we can capture the traces that help us diagnose the issue you're reporting.

Alas, FBHub wasn't built to support bi-directional discussions and the back & forth necessary to get to the root cause of the issue. FBHub receives a huge volume of feedback, often from non-technical users who wouldn't be amenable to carrying out some of the more advanced operations required to diagnose issues. As such, FB Hub wasn't designed as a bi-directional communications vehicle.

This is also why we created this repo - to provide a channel through which technical users, developers, etc., can reach out and participate in issue diagnosis.

So please do continue to file general feedback via Feedback Hub, and direct more detailed technical/developer centric issues here where we can work together to get to the root of the issues you uncover.

Rich.

orcmid commented 4 years ago

I've seen this happen before, too. If I remember correctly, it often happens shortly after logging on after the machine has installed Windows updates when it was turned on/rebooted. In my case, I seem to remember that all of the taskbar application icons disappear for a second or so.

I don't have my task bar locked, so I don't know if this is happening. There are startup cases where the icons on my Win10 desktop (where I open) seem to be repainted suddenly, whether they came up blank or not. Sometimes I do see blank ones and they are restored properly in a few seconds.

I have many icons around the periphery of my large screen, and 23 apps on the task bar. I determine the morning startup is completed on appearance of the Bing Desktop search panel with new daily wallpaper arrives then or shortly thereafter :). Same for my painfully-slow aging laptop. Also much the same in a Windows Insider Hyper-V VM. Also, on restarts I watch for the Bing Desktop search again showing up. (And yes, I turn off my computers and the battery-backup every night.)

I've tolerated all of this for years. It does not impede developer use in my case, although faster restarts would be nice. I still prefer VS Code as editor of choice even though it does not seem to be as snappy as the earlier versions. The only editor I have that opens more quickly is Notepad :).

orcmid commented 4 years ago

@Bosch-Eli-Black - Alas, no, there's no way to access issues in Feedback Hub via the web at this time.

@warpdesign I appreciate that it may appear as if FBHub is a black hole - and it's certainly a criticism the team hears and understands - but do know that feedback submitted via FBHub is routed to the team that owns the affected features/tech.

My impression is there are privacy issues around submissions to Microsoft, including via FBHub. I don't mean just for Microsoft, but for submitters also. That is a big difference over using a public issues system such as here for GitHub respositories. We know we're working in the open in the case of public repos.

warpdesign commented 4 years ago

but do know that feedback submitted via FBHub is routed to the team that owns the affected features/tech.

Allow me to have my doubts, especially for feedbacks reports in a language other than English since the text gets automatically translated into English.

Poopooracoocoo commented 3 years ago

As such, FB Hub wasn't designed as a bi-directional communications vehicle.

wow. just wow. no wonder Windows 10 is what it is today.

warpdesign commented 3 years ago

As such, FB Hub wasn't designed as a bi-directional communications vehicle.

wow. just wow. no wonder Windows 10 is what it is today.

I guess it doesn't help indeed :/

bitcrazed commented 3 years ago

We are not typical Windows users. Most users don't want, nor have the patience or interest, to engage in a back and forth discussion to diagnose an issue they're having. That's why FBHub was designed primarily as a tool for users to drop issues into, and leave it up to the teams to diagnose and fix.

It's also why we created this repo - so that users like us, who do want to dig into the details, can.

Now ... let's please get back to the issue at hand ...

sylveon commented 3 years ago

The lack of bidirectional communication from FH is also what encourages some users to fill non-developer issues in this repo, because they feel like sending things to Feedback Hub is like talking to a wall.

Eli-Black-Work commented 3 years ago

@bitcrazed, My take is that FBHub might be fine for normal users, but it would be good to also have a GitHub repository where "non-normal" Windows users could file issues and engage in bi-directional communication.

As you noted in your above comment, this is "why we created this repo - so that users like us, who do want to dig into the details, can." I think it's great that this repo exists, but as @asklar mentioned above, this repo isn't for product issues -- it's for developers issues.

I think what we need is a separate repo that is for product issues. This wouldn't be meant to supplant FBHub but to complement it 🙂