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minetest-LOTR / Lord-of-the-Test

LOTR-inspired Subgame for Minetest. Rewrite: https://github.com/minetest-LOTR/Third-Age
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Add lore scroll to Mirkwood Elf chest. #120

Closed Xaleth closed 7 years ago

Xaleth commented 7 years ago

Added second lore scroll to Gondor chest.

Amaz1 commented 7 years ago

As these poems are copyrighted, this can't be merged, sorry.

Xaleth commented 7 years ago

Okay... Didn't pay attention to Creative Commons copyrights because I got so used to GPL being everywhere.

I'll write my own poems, if they're not as good as Tolkien's writing then that's too bad because that'll be as far as I can go in writing.

Anth0rx commented 7 years ago

Didn't pay attention to Creative Commons copyrights because I got so used to GPL being everywhere. Are the poems you added licensed under a Creative Commons license? Which one is is?

Xaleth commented 7 years ago

All of the poems can be redistributed under (CC BY-SA 3.0)

Anth0rx commented 7 years ago

Ah okay, so why does this pose a problem for LOTT, then? CC-BY-SA-3.0 by itself is not GPL-compatible, but as of my understanding it is possible to relicense CC-BY-SA-3.0 works under CC-BY-SA-4.0, which is in turn GPL-compatible. Another question is: Why is the LGPL preferred over the GPL?

Amaz1 commented 7 years ago

All of the poems can be redistributed under (CC BY-SA 3.0)

Do you have a source for this? As all of these poems come straight from the works of J.R.R. Tolkein, I wouldn't think that they are, and that they're all rights reserved.

Ah okay, so why does this pose a problem for LOTT, then? CC-BY-SA-3.0 by itself is not GPL-compatible, but as of my understanding it is possible to relicense CC-BY-SA-3.0 works under CC-BY-SA-4.0, which is in turn GPL-compatible. Another question is: Why is the LGPL preferred over the GPL?

If they were CC BY-SA, that would be okay, but as I said, I'm very doubtful that they are... The LGPL is preferred mainly because that's what Minetest & Minetest Game use, and a larger percentage of mods are under the LGPL than the GPL. Of course, it's possible to relicense LGPL stuff as GPL, but I really don't like it when that's done, because it means that the original mod can't use any changes made "upstream." Personally, I'd prefer MIT or BSD, but, that's a whole different issue :P (And isn't going to happen, due to Minetest Game being LGPL.)

Anth0rx commented 7 years ago

Do you have a source for this?

That would be interesting indeed.

because it means that the original mod can't use any changes made "upstream."

Why is that? Which original mod?

Amaz1 commented 7 years ago

because it means that the original mod can't use any changes made "upstream."

Why is that? Which original mod?

LGPL can be relicensed as GPL, but GPL can't be relicensed as LGPL. Therefore, if there was a change made to lottarmor, that the author of 3d_armor wanted to add back, they wouldn't be able to, due to license incompatability. (But this applies to any mod we reuse, that's just an example.) An example of this was seen for a long time with freeminer and Minetest, as MT wasn't able to use any changes made in freeminer, due to them switching to GPL.

To change the subject completely, here's the first bit of the rewrite which I mentioned to you a while ago: https://github.com/minetest-LOTR/Lord-of-the-Test/tree/v2-rewrite

Xaleth commented 7 years ago

OK, after further research, the poems were not actually licensed under CC BY-SA 3.0, I misunderstood in a Wikipedia article about LOTR and tolkiengateway.net list of poems, the CC license--where I misunderstood--actually only applied to user-contributed content, not the poems.

Stupid me. bangs head on table repeatedly

I'm very, very glad you didn't merge these Tolkien-Estate-Copyrighted poems.

Rude, ignorant, and cringy comment warning: 5... 4... 3... 2... 1... 0...

Why on earth would you develop a subgame based on copyrighted content?

Xaleth commented 7 years ago

PS

I'm starting work on my version of the poems along with an extremely short book.

neinwhal commented 7 years ago

Why on earth would you develop a subgame based on copyrighted content?

It's the same reason why fanworks exists.

Anth0rx commented 7 years ago

that the author of 3d_armor wanted to add back, they wouldn't be able to, due to license incompatability.

Okay, now it's clear

To change the subject completely, here's the first bit of the rewrite which I mentioned to you a while ago: https://github.com/minetest-LOTR/Lord-of-the-Test/tree/v2-rewrite

Yes, I saw it already. I will try it out soon :)