Publish to (Non-GNU) ELPA?

[dalanicolai]

Thanks for this package, it looks really great!

I am the creator of sketch-mode, but I think your package looks much more useful, and, actually, quite impressive.

I saw https://github.com/misohena/el-easydraw/issues/2, and your experiences with MELPA. However, I would guess that the Emacs maintainers themselves would be quite enthusiastic about this package. So I would expect that they would be very happy to try/assist getting this package to ELPA, or (NonGNU ELPA, if you are not willing/able to sign the copyright assignment papers). In my experience, they are very helpful, and quite flexible in accepting packages. Also, if you explain that you don't understand English very well, then probably they will fully understand the difficulties. You can just keep developing the package on github.

Personally, I think it would be great to have this in some official repository because it would be much easier to find (and install). Also, there might be more users who find this package, and maybe there will be users who understand English and Japanese who are willing to contribute to the package, like writing documentation etc.

I would just suggest you to send a message to the Emacs mailing list emacs-devel@gnu.org, and explain that your English is not so good and put add a link to your package, and just see the reactions. It might even be that someone understands Japanese there.

Anyway, I think it would be a great gift to Emacs and its users. But otherwise, anyway, once again, thanks for this great package!

[misohena]

こんにちは。

EmacsでSVGプログラミングをされている方がいて嬉しいです。これは本当に楽しい機能です。

このプロジェクトは私の内発的な動機による産物です。私は私を満足させるためにコードを書いているので、やりたくないことをやろうとは思いません。

私は開発がしたいのであって配布がしたいのではありません。

利用者が増えることは必ずしも私にとって良いことばかりではありません。

他人とのコミュニケーションは私にとってコードを書くよりも大変です。コンピュータは仕様が決まっていますが、人間はそうではありませんから(笑)。それが英語ともなればなおさら大変です。この文章を書くために私はオリジナルの文章を日本語で書いて、Google翻訳をし、反訳し、明らかにおかしい部分を取り除くためにオリジナルの日本語を修正しています。難しい、あるいはセンシティブな問題の場合そもそも書き始めるまでにも時間がかかります。

Emacsではなぜか開発とパッケージシステムへの登録を同じ人が行っていることが多いですが、分離した方が負担が分散できて良いと思います。

配布はそれをしたい人がするのが一番です。

このプロジェクトは既に十分に実用的ですし、パッケージシステムに登録すれば便利に思う人もいると思います。

私は私が作ったEmacsに関連するプロジェクトについて著作権を行使する気はあまりありません。Emacsという素晴らしい物を無料で使わせてもらっているのですから。

このプロジェクトではやりたいことの8割くらいは既にやってしまったので、最悪他人に譲っても構いません。(もちろん改善できる点は決して尽きることはありません)

21世紀のEmacsには最低限この程度の作図機能はあってしかるべきだと思います。

こういったIssueは今回が初めてでは無く、正直どうしたらよいのか分かりません。

何はともあれ、ご意見を頂きありがとうございます。

(Google Translate) Hello.

Nice to see someone doing SVG programming with Emacs. This is a really fun feature.

This project is the product of my intrinsic motivation. I write code to please myself, so I don't want to do things I don't want to do.

I want development, not distribution.

Increasing the number of users is not always a good thing for me.

Communicating with others is harder for me than writing code. Computers have fixed specifications, but humans don't (laughs). It is even more difficult when it comes to English. To write this sentence, I wrote the original sentence in Japanese, google translated it, reverse-translated it, and modified the original Japanese to remove the obvious oddities. For difficult or sensitive questions, it takes time to even start writing.

In Emacs, for some reason, the same person often does development and registration to the package system, but I think it's better to separate them so that the burden can be distributed.

Distribution is best done by those who want it.

The project is already quite usable, and some people may find it useful to have it registered in the package system.

I'm not very interested in copyrighting any Emacs-related projects I've made. Because I'm allowed to use a wonderful thing called Emacs for free.

I've already done about 80% of what I want to do in this project, so at worst I don't mind if I leave it to someone else. (Of course, we never run out of things to improve.)

I think that Emacs in the 21st century should have at least this level of drawing function.

This is not the first time I've had an issue like this, and I honestly don't know what to do.

Anyway, thank you for your feedback.

[dalanicolai]

Thank you for your elaborate answer. I fully understand your priority is in development, which is perfectly fine of course. It is great and promising to hear about your plans, and about how you think about copyright.

Indeed, in Emacs, it is often the developer that does the registration, which I think most developers see just as part of developing a package (also of course they are the ones who decide about the copyright). But, the only requirement for adding a package, is to include maintainer info in the package, which does not have to be the author of the package at all (it is a quite natural requirement, as the Emacs maintainers can not be responsible for also maintaining 1000's of contributed packages). I think the main responsibility for the maintainer, is to serve as a 'spokesman' for the package, and it is only a welcome 'luxury' if he is also able to maintain/develop/fix/extend the package.

So, I think for distributing your package, you only have to find a maintainer. As soon as you think the package is ready for publishing (which I think it already is), then you can maybe post it, e.g. on Reddit, and include in the post that you are looking for a maintainer. I would also be very happy to do that for you. If no potential maintainer responds, then I am also happy to become the maintainer, i.e. 'spokesman' (I just prefer it to be someone else, as I am really busy enough already, but otherwise it would be no problem for me).

I am sure that the community would be quite excited about your package (b.t.w. it has already been mentioned in the Emacs devel archives, see here).

So, when you think the package is ready for packaging, please create the post on Reddit, or let me know to do it for you; I would be happy to do it. Also, I would be happy to help/take care of the subsequent steps to distribution.

Again, thanks a lot!

[dleslie]

I'm definitely keeping an eye on this one. Amazing work.

[bracketracket]

これは今までで一番クールだよ！ 私のPCでこれを試すのが待ちきれません。 本当にお疲れ様でした。

This is the coolest thing ever! Cannot wait to try this out on my pc. Thank you so much for your hard work.

[FredrikMeyer]

ちなみに、「use-package」を使用すると、Github から非常に簡単にインストールできます。

Btw, using use-package one can very easily install from Github:

(use-package edraw-org
  :ensure t
  :after org
  :vc (:url "https://github.com/misohena/el-easydraw"
            :branch master)
  :config
  (edraw-org-setup-default))

クールな Emacs パッケージ!

Cool package!