Marcloure
commented
7 months ago The issue here is once inside the black hole creatures are "pulled towards the center" a longer distances than exists if the spell has a 5 meter radius.
Then the creature is pulled only 5 meters. It's the same with other AOE pulls, you don't overshoot it.
Like are you going to swim through the air against gravity to escape? One would need a fly speed faster than 6 meters.
The Brawn or Nimbleness check only frees you from the restrained condition (i.e.: the crushing gravity). To get out of the black hole, you still need to move 5 meters in difficult terrain, and then not get pulled again on your next turn. If the black hole is holding you aloft, passing the check only removes the restrained condition, but you still can't move away from it and will inevitably die if you can't fly, teleport, or get pushed away.
Daniel-Soham
mlenser
Describe the bug If my understanding of spells is correct, a 5 mana cost spell has a 5 meter radius. Black hole has an additional radius of 30 meters that it affects but that area doesn't cause damage. The issue here is once inside the black hole creatures are "pulled towards the center" a longer distances than exists if the spell has a 5 meter radius. If the black hole actually warped space and made that 5 meter radius area deeper ... that would be awesome but that's not what it says the spell does. Another logical flaw in my mind is the ability to make a brawn or nimbleness check to get out might make sense in the outside the black hole area situation but it doesn't make too much sense in the being levitated and crushed by it situation. Like are you going to swim through the air against gravity to escape? One would need a fly speed faster than 6 meters. If that's just how all spells in this system are where you can make a check at the end of your turn to repeat a save that's fine. I feel the same way about the spell levitate which I see follows the same rules basically.
Text of the spell with issues bolded follows.
As two actions, a dark sphere of destructive gravitational force forms, centered on a point you can see within sight range. For the duration, the black hole and any space within 30 meters of it are difficult terrain.
When the black hole appears and at the start of each of your turns thereafter:
Unsecured objects within 30 meters of the black hole are pulled toward its center. Nonmagical objects fully inside the black hole are destroyed if they aren't being worn or carried. Each creature within 30 meters of the black hole must succeed on a Reflex saving throw or be pulled 6 meters toward the center of the black hole. Each creature inside the black hole must succeed on a Reflex saving throw. On a failure, it takes 6d8 concussion damage, is pulled 6 meters toward the center of the black hole, and is restrained for the duration.
On a critical failure, it takes twice as much damage and is pulled 12 meters toward the center of the black hole.
On a success, it takes half as much damage.
On a critical success, it takes no damage.
A creature that enters the black hole for the first time on a turn must also make the Reflex saving throw.
If the black hole is in the air, creatures remain aloft while being pulled toward the black hole.
A creature restrained by the black hole, or one that can touch the creature, can use an action to make a Brawn or Nimbleness check (its choice) against your spell save Difficulty. If it succeeds, it is no longer restrained.
A creature reduced to 0 health by this spell is annihilated, along with any nonmagical items it is wearing or carrying.
Link https://www.kryxrpg.com/spells/black-hole