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16:00:10 <plowsof11> meeting time https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/798
16:00:36 <plowsof11> Greetings. hello all
16:00:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Greetings
16:00:41 <BusyBoredom[m]> Hi
16:00:46 <pluja[m]> Hey all
16:01:19 <jwinterm> o/
16:01:20 <ajs_[m]> Hi
16:01:22 <dsc_> hi
16:01:27 <Rucknium[m]> Hi
16:01:46 <plowsof11> hey pluja, you're one of the listed recent community highlights
16:02:09 <plowsof11> lets talk about some things that happened and such, like - [Nerostr ~ Monero meets
Nostr](https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1138nlj/nerostr_monero_meets_nostr/) pluja of kycnot.me
16:02:25 <MajesticBank> hi
16:02:51 <plowsof11> monerobull set up https://monero.house/ (does anyone know what the fediverse is?)
16:03:35 <pluja[m]> How does the Monero community and devs feel about nostr? Should we keep on doing things
there? Most of the activity there is bitcoin-only
16:04:29 <plowsof11> im totally behind on all this tech ^ but it vaguely seems like "blockchain" tech? 'nodes'
can relay messages based on certain criteria?
16:04:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> sgp: monerobull @monerobull:matrix.org:
16:04:41 <blankpage[m]> Hi
16:04:47 <monerobull[m]> Hello
16:04:52 <sgp[m]> Hello
16:05:27 <pluja[m]> Yeah, kind of. Relays are pretty dumb, they just store and serve events. Clients do all
the hard work. Events pretty extensible, almost anything can be built with nostr.
16:06:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont know anything about nostr, unable to comment š
16:06:31 <plowsof11> Rucknium has set up a pleroma (?) instance some time ago. its nice that we've got people
interested in this area, i doubt ill ever get it
16:06:33 <Rucknium[m]> I just set myself up on a self-hosted Pleroma (fediverse) instance two months ago.
There is useful info for me in the fediverse and I don't plan to switch to get N+1 social media.
16:06:56 <plowsof11> plujas monero integration into the whole thing is awesome
16:07:02 <blankpage[m]> I haven't actually tried nostr but btc people all seem to be jumping on board.
Building an XMR community there can't hurt.
16:07:07 <monerobull[m]> I've set up monero.house
16:07:16 <pluja[m]> https://usenostr.org/
16:07:16 <pluja[m]> Here's a basic guide to understand what it is about, if you want to read something about
it
16:07:21 <plowsof11> thanks!
16:08:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> New Wallet Releases
16:08:31 <plowsof11> do we have any speakers who want to give a talk at monerokon in this area? call for
presentations are on-going š® tickets are available also @ https://tickets.monerokon.com/ (XMR and other
payment options) (credit to [Digilol](https://www.digilol.net/))
16:09:11 <Rucknium[m]> pokkst has a multi-user Pleroma instance at xmrposter.club
16:09:35 <plowsof11> i wonder if Cake pay will add or have already? merchant in prague (where monerokon is
taking place) like they did for UK users recently (i can now larp as an agorist because im able to buy normal
food items with monero)
16:10:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Speaking of Cake, they released a new Desktop app today for Mac (to start)
16:10:43 <hbs[m]> nostr is still very early in terms of security, there are very few options to not share your
private key with the service you use
16:10:44 <plowsof11> ofrnxmr[m]: - [FeatherWallet 2.4.1 released](https://featherwallet.org/changelog/) , but
everyone is waiting for luigi to merge/tag the gui !
16:10:44 <pluja[m]> You can always use extensions that act like signers
16:11:42 <pluja[m]> pluja[m]: For example https://github.com/fiatjaf/nos2x
16:12:33 <plowsof11> - [MoneroTalk](https://yewtu.be/channel/UC3Hx81QYLoEQkm3vyl4N4eQ) - sech1 interview
16:12:34 <plowsof11> - [MoneroMagazine](https://yewtu.be/channel/UCRYrAjnE8FAgYeatsvhoalQ) - hyc interview šļø
recent interviews^ topics included p2pool and what are the odds of ablock hash being hyc15th3s3x1estm4nal1ve
16:14:06 <plowsof11> Stnby Siren of Digilol have also had their FOSS ATM pre-dev project fully funded
https://atm.monero.is/ can follow how its going in #atm:kernal.eu (matrix only i think)
16:14:55 <hbs[m]> pluja[m]: yes, but on mobile it's still a pita, have to use kiwi
16:15:05 <plowsof11> also ehm, i was an ass to someone that complained about "online/offline" status being
public on monero.social (i tohught it was none sense) ofrnxmr had a look and reported it to the matrix admins
- disabled now
16:15:13 <Lovera[m]> Hi everyone
16:15:34 <Rucknium[m]> Mostly accurate Twitter thread on the origins of OSPEAD (the CCS proposal):
https://twitter.com/AnonShopApp/status/1628817742395756544
16:16:00 <plowsof11> the plot of a movie featuring Monero imo^
16:16:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> A good movie*
16:16:44 <plowsof11> fluffy escaping from alkatraz would be a good addition
16:17:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> Anyway, speaking of Feather Wallet , it should ve noted that Feather opened a ccs in
Feb15 and at an impromptu meeting we merged it.
16:17:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> It has been fully funded and moved to WIP š„
16:18:31 <plowsof11> valldrac (molly .im developer) has added transaction scanning (since the last update) to
his monero wallet sdk (and will provide a new update/demo soon) šļø
16:18:33 <plowsof11> https://github.com/mollyim/monero-wallet-sdk
16:19:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Regarding Molly: AJS and NYM were talking about paying to develop a monero chat app
16:20:01 <plowsof11> ive requested an honest update form them - im aware theyve put in 500+ hours of work
because wallet2 was too troublesome to work with so they had to make their own sdk :(
16:20:02 <bett3r[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: How many people user feather?
16:20:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Feather doesnt collect ideate statistics
16:20:26 <pluja[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: From the ground up? Or based on any other chat app / platform?
16:20:42 <plowsof11> feathers ccs proposals get funded quite quickly - and i see feather support users popping
up more and more
16:20:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> But if you use monero, youve benefit from tobtoht's work
16:21:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> The feather ccs includes work on monero, gui etc as well
16:21:32 <bett3r[m]> Right, ok.
16:21:33 <plowsof11> true, some patches to feather end up in monero-core
16:21:38 <jwinterm> feather was recommended strongly by Alex at localmonero the other day
16:21:48 <dsc_> whats feather?
16:21:58 <jwinterm> wowlet fork I think
16:22:01 <pluja[m]> A monero wallet, featherwallet.org
16:22:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Isnt feather the bases of wowlet?
16:22:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or the other way around?
16:22:08 <dsc_> ah I see
16:22:16 <dsc_> cool!
16:22:16 <plowsof11> dsc created feather wallet initialy , must not forget (wownero dev)
16:22:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yea, DSC messing with my head right now
16:22:47 <plowsof11> the lead architecht and head developer / creator of wownero from inception aka jwinterm
16:22:56 <plowsof11> mladies and gentleman
16:22:59 <dsc_> i am trying to be a valuable member of this discussion but my brain tends to go into trolling
mode
16:23:06 <dsc_> please continue :P
16:23:47 <Rucknium[m]> There is a Feather fork that works with Townforge :)
16:23:48 <plowsof11> i put respec on dsc name
16:23:57 <plowsof11> i also used dsc's pyton levin protocol recently
16:24:02 <MajesticBank> great work from tobtoht and dsc
16:24:16 <plowsof11> https://github.com/plowsof/check-monero-seed-nodes thanks dsc!
16:24:34 <dsc_> oh nice one :)
16:24:56 <plowsof11> happy face good mad face bad
16:25:43 <dsc_> thotbot was at my place for 2 weeks working on feathers new build system
16:25:55 <dsc_> i can tell you it was very annoying work for him
16:26:04 <plowsof11> just a reminder , the tx_extra discussion in MRL is still ongoing - they have meetings
every wednesday at 17:00 UTC (iirc)
16:26:12 <dsc_> .bbl
16:26:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> dsc_: I hope you guys are well fed
16:26:32 <plowsof11> (i thought you where going to say it was very annoying having him there) lol thanks for
helping
16:26:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Those long hours'll kill ya
16:27:23 <MajesticBank> dsc made wow in elite and stack
16:27:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> And cake
16:27:37 <plowsof11> now then, any other highlights before we talk aobut some ccs idea* (isthmus has been
radio silent on his proposal)
16:27:47 <plowsof11> i did not know that, wow
16:28:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> Regarding the Online Status for monero.social - I think that js the reason 24/25 would
DM us
16:28:31 <jwinterm> plowsof11: local monero / agora desk did AMA on r/cryptocurrency and is currently renting
the banner https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/119zfxn/ama_im_alex_cofounder_at_localmonero_and/
16:28:35 <jwinterm> if that counts as highlights
16:28:55 <plowsof11> people on matrix .org where never shown to be online/offline, im sorry that 24/25
targetted social users like this
16:29:00 <MajesticBank> localmonero spread great picture about the monero project on AMA / banner ads
16:29:05 <plowsof11> definitely !
16:29:26 <plowsof11> nice work Alex
16:29:27 <sgp[m]> <plowsof11> "https://github.com/plowsof/check..." <- really cool! You can use Cake's onion
node there too if you want
16:30:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Iirc there is a new monero sweden Facebook page
16:30:33 <plowsof11> im too busy buying bread cheese and milk with monero atm with cake pay
16:31:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> Facebook page by fredrikk:
16:31:16 <plowsof11> i think sech was talking to the owner here about it (they see stickers around sweden but
not many people 'know' about crypto/monero iirc)
16:32:06 <Rucknium[m]> sech had a good MoneroTalk episode recently
16:32:46 <plowsof11> yep, linked in notes (hyc's was also great @ monero magazine)
16:32:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=Y0C3dQnAFnE&local=true
16:33:26 <bett3r[m]> It is very important how things are explained to people. I think that one of the most
important points that should be explained to people is how communities can self-organize around XMR as a
funding/payment system.
16:33:44 <bett3r[m]> (where contributors can stay anonymous)
16:34:31 <plowsof11> monero newsletters to stay up to date with goings on : News: [Monero
Observer](https://www.monero.observer/) - [Revuo Monero](https://revuo-xmr.com/) - [The Monero
Standard](https://localmonero.co/the-monero-standard) - [Monero Moon](https://www.themoneromoon.com/)
16:34:43 <bett3r[m]> * funding/payment system. I mention it specifically (and possibly as a digression
depending on the topic of this discussion) for the reason that I've noticed mostly payments, services being
targeted on.
16:35:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Please subscribe and donate to newletters when you can!
16:35:04 <bett3r[m]> * funding/payment system. I mention it specifically (and possibly as a digression
depending on the topic of this discussion) for the reason that I've noticed mostly payments, services being
focused on.
16:35:04 <plowsof11> i think we can move on to the ccs ideas, i see BusyBoredom is here
16:35:37 <plowsof11> c. [Standalone AcceptXMR](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-
proposals/-/merge_requests/374)
16:36:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> Some of the most thankless work im the community is done by those who are keeping their
eyes open for us.
16:36:35 <plowsof11> a quick back story: the xmrsale proposal was voted as being abandonned / closed 2
meetings earlier. and has 30 xmr left over. the above proposal is a suggestion to make better use of the funds
16:36:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Regarding acceptxmr - I read the proposal and its blank! It just says "pay busyboredom
to acceptxmr"
16:36:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Did nobody read the ccs?
16:37:17 <jwinterm> :D
16:37:33 <plowsof11> :D
16:37:33 * jwinterm did not read the ccs
16:38:08 <plowsof11> i have read the proposal from top to bottom (out of fear/ paranoia)
16:38:32 <plowsof11> if merged it would go directly to the work in progress list
16:38:37 <Rucknium[m]> xmrsale dev should be notified by email and the CCS comment system.
16:39:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> (I am joking btw :D) the proposal is real.
16:40:01 <plowsof11> if anyone wants to merge / abstain / suggest another use of funds / please make it known
. busyboredom is also here to answer any questions
16:41:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> +1 on merge. Saves us from fully funding a new proposal. Similar product to the original
ccs
16:42:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Perhaps though, as someone said, donations are a vote of the community
16:42:40 <Rucknium[m]> +1 on merge
16:44:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> As rough compromise (if donations are wanted to guage community sentiment) would be to
fund 2/3 milestones with xmrsale, and leave the maintenance milestone for funding by community
16:44:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> But left or right, I dont care. Both sound good to me
16:45:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> I don't remember who commented about community sentiment, I only remember someone had
brought it up
16:45:31 <Rucknium[m]> I think it was me
16:45:31 <plowsof11> interesting ideas
16:46:17 <Rucknium[m]> I just wanted to bring it up so that the issue was crisp
16:46:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> Makes sense
16:46:48 <Rucknium[m]> Because when you set a precedent, it's good to know that you're setting a precedent.
16:47:01 <Rucknium[m]> Even if precedent isn't extremely important to CCS
16:47:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> I'm ok with merging to in progress. Not to set precedent.
16:47:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> I think we should always explore the "community sentiment" if a situation arises like
this in the future
16:47:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Took the words out of my mouth, ruck
16:49:41 <plowsof11> will pass these thoughts on, ( i could see this being funded (more than 30) regardless of
using xmrsales funds, just to stress it is indeed about setting precedent) will leave this topic here then for
this meeting?
16:50:10 <plowsof11> Isthmus hasn't responded to ... anything / anywhere afaik about their proposal
16:50:26 <plowsof11> d. [Computational work for OSPEAD parameterization](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-
project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/375)
16:51:00 <Rucknium[m]> I gave isthmus a C++ "test" for his developer. He said he would start pushing for the
CCS when the test is complete.
16:51:07 <monerobull[m]> If rucknium thinks it's important than i vote yes
16:51:21 <plowsof11> some comments do not require a c++ test to be complete
16:51:34 <plowsof11> thanks for submitting a test for your needs
16:51:56 <Lovera[m]> monerobull[m]: +1
16:52:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> I think at the least, we can merge and move 2/3 milestones in.
16:52:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Whether to fully fund the rest, we can decide later today-this week
16:52:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org: re acceptxmr
16:52:23 <Rucknium[m]> isthmus thought it didn't make a lot of sense to push for merger when the test was not
yet complete. The test is basically an integration of R and C++. I wrote the code in R, plus a wrapper for
C++. The C++ results need to be the same as the R I already have
16:52:24 <Lovera[m]> > <@plowsof:matrix.org> c. [Standalone AcceptXMR](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-
project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/374)
16:52:24 <Lovera[m]> >
16:52:24 <Lovera[m]> Iām in favor to merge this šš¼
16:53:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Regarding isthmus, I think we can give some leeway on the timeframe (similar to bp++)
16:53:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> Perhaps change the proposal to a draft until ready to present
16:53:39 <Rucknium[m]> I wrote comments about the proposal here: https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-
project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/375#note_20706
16:53:41 <plowsof11> ill set bp++ to draft yes
16:54:14 <Rucknium[m]> Summary: "Having little knowledge of the finite-sample performance of the estimator
makes me nervous as a statistician. The phrases that come to mind are "blind spots" and "corner cutting". If
isthmus is willing to manage the C++/Rust writing and the community is willing to fund it, then we should
definitely do it."
16:56:08 <plowsof11> AOB?
16:58:01 <plowsof11> i began travelling yesterday, and should be considered as not existing 27/28/1 , and
barely alive until the 9th , please forgive me sirs
16:58:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> I covered for plowsof, np
16:58:52 <Lovera[m]> plowsof11: Enjoy your travel !! š
16:59:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Before we wrap up. There are imporant discussions in/around MRL regarding:... (full
message at
<https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/0657d6decfbd714def146fd0cb6a25dac634bd87>)
17:00:19 <plowsof11> the first meeting that i have ever concluded on the hour , thank you all for attending
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