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15:00:06 <plowsof> Meeting time https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/900
15:00:21 <plowsof> Greetings, hi
15:00:38 <m-relay> <recanman:agoradesk.com> Hello
15:00:41 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Gmorning
15:00:44 <m-relay> <vostoemisio:matrix.org> Hey
15:01:00 <m-relay> <123bob123:matrix.org> ^
15:01:48 <m-relay> <michael:monero.social> Hello.
15:02:38 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> summer, is over! hope everyone is happy and well, lets discuss some
community highlights while we all arrive
15:03:21 <m-relay> <rucknium:monero.social> Hi
15:04:41 <m-relay> <123bob123:matrix.org> Fruit basket?
15:04:55 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> https://bounties.monero.social/ has seen some activity lately, mainly
around the nostr client for Monero https://bounties.monero.social/posts/94 ,, i wonder if pluja would be up to
the task (spoiler: he is busy atm) but also shared an update on one of his nostr related projects [Nerostr: a
Nostr paid relay, but with Monero (new version)](https://monero.town/post/648493)
15:05:33 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> Ruckniums recent research about fee abnormalities (briefly discussed
yesterday) https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20230929#c284802
15:06:21 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> would an explainer at https://rucknium.me/ be beneficial?
15:06:22 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> blog*
15:07:08 <m-relay> <rucknium:monero.social> I might do that.
15:08:21 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> Bitmain x5 miner seems to have been a disaster, overheating / dusty.
it also can not mine anything other than Monero ( always keep an eye on the #monero-pow:monero.social,
interesting stuff discussed there)
15:08:40 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> Bitmain X5 images released [img dot ur](https://imgur.com/a/S03VsWf)
- [r*ddit
thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/16txlhq/bitmains_x5_has_been_cracked_open_here_is_whats/)
15:09:17 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> [Upcoming Jamtis Dynamic View Tag Design
Discussion/Poll](https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/16uxj28/upcoming_jamtis_dynamic_view_tag_design/) -
jeffro256
15:09:30 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Not even wownero?!
15:09:48 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> this r*ddit thread required some propaganda for "pro dynamic
viewtags" - thankfully tevador rose to the occasion and rbrunner gladly relayed the messages
15:10:13 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> MAYBE townforge gold !
15:10:21 <m-relay> <polar9669:matrix.org> Nope, only xmr and they might release firmware/sw update
15:10:40 <m-relay> <123bob123:matrix.org> Firmware fixes smoke?
15:11:00 <m-relay> <recanman:agoradesk.com> Yes, but it would have to bring hashrate down
15:11:18 <m-relay> <recanman:agoradesk.com> Yes, but it would have to bring hashrate down, it would have to
monitor temperatures if it doesn
15:11:24 <m-relay> <recanman:agoradesk.com> Yes, but it would have to bring hashrate down, it would have to
monitor temperatures if it doesn't already
15:11:35 <m-relay> <recanman:agoradesk.com> Yes, but it would have to bring hashrate down, it would have to
monitor temperatures if it doesn't already and bring down clock speed
15:11:47 <m-relay> <123bob123:matrix.org> Sounds efficient
15:12:01 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> (Sidenote: careful/avoid with edits. The log get messy)
15:12:14 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> spanish speaking persons out there - anhdres has you covered with a
new Cafe Nero podcast (links and into video here) Cafe Nero https://linktr.ee/cafemonero
https://www.yewtu.be/watch?v=CDlQGCVJ8DE
15:12:46 <m-relay> <pluja:matrix.org> Hey, indeed I was taking a look at how this could be done yesterday and
I might give it a shot soon, but I can't promise anything yet... :)
15:12:54 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> We need a list of podcasts coming our of community
15:13:30 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> pluja of (kycnot.me, whishper.net, blogo.site, the new nerostr,
awesome-privacy...) :slau
15:13:35 <m-relay> <123bob123:matrix.org> Directory ?
15:13:41 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> 🫡
15:14:23 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Stack wallet has stack cast etc
15:14:46 <m-relay> <123bob123:matrix.org> Google chromecast?
15:15:02 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Thats -policy (had to)
15:15:19 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> and silverpill , with Mitra , answered(answering) questions about it
in #monero-community-dev:monero.social [Mitra
update](https://codeberg.org/silverpill/mitra/releases/tag/v1.36.0)
15:16:00 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> active newsletters we have [Revuo Monero](https://revuo-xmr.com/) -
[The Monero Standard](https://localmonero.co/the-monero-standard)
15:17:04 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> anything else we would like to mention?
15:18:23 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> ah yes, bp++ new price of 32k as its a greatly expanded paper (need
to get the ball rolling on that asap)
15:18:25 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> The meetup
15:18:44 <m-relay> <123bob123:matrix.org> Cheap
15:18:56 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> oh ofcourse, Siren and Stnby attending it. [Istanbul meetup sponsored
by
localmonero.co](https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/16q4k21/istanbul_meetup_sponsored_by_localmoneroco/)
Siren and Stnby to attend to present Monero ATM's next milestones (what after pizza box) and also Metronero.
15:19:11 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Istanbul meetup sponsored by localmonero.co Siren and Stnby to
attend to present Monero ATM's next milestones (what after pizza box) and also Metronero.
15:19:18 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> 2nd of October
15:19:46 <m-relay> <123bob123:matrix.org> Alt exposed
15:20:24 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> aaaand new release / tag iminent .. either today tomorrow or soon(tm)
15:20:32 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> imminent
15:21:10 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> right, shall we move on to the ccs updates. i see vostoemisio is
here!
15:21:52 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> i hear you released a video or something
15:22:10 <m-relay> <vostoemisio:matrix.org> hehe, we released it yesterday, over 5k views already on X
15:22:28 <m-relay> <vostoemisio:matrix.org> https://youtu.be/vjn9l3hG4ME?si=b5n6WWwnxlTRHtSM
15:23:11 <m-relay> <vostoemisio:matrix.org> Great feedback so far, if anyone have any input or ideas for
improvement please let me know
15:23:20 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> nice work 👍️ , seems to have completed your open CCS
https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/VOSTOEMISIO-TailEmission-Concept-Video.html 🫡 (pending the open source of
the files and such)
15:24:16 <m-relay> <vostoemisio:matrix.org> We've already cleaned up the source files, I can upload them
later today
15:24:19 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> I haven't watched yet 🙈
15:25:45 <m-relay> <rucknium:monero.social> "miners would be forced to raise tx fees". I don't agree with
this statement. Miners don't set fees. See Theorem 1 of "Monopoly without a Monopolist"
15:26:19 <m-relay> <rucknium:monero.social> Thanks, Vosto
15:26:22 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> pending the reception of this then, we could circle back round and
tackle the older proposal https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/savandra-videos-for-monero.html (a discussion
for another day/meeting) e.g. savandra vs vosto to resume/take over - or repurpose funds toward another
animated proposal
15:27:38 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> checking my calandar, there should be an oscar nominated movie
[Limite update](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/371#note_22460) -
geonic
15:28:08 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Voice message.ogg
15:28:36 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Accident ^
15:29:18 <m-relay> <123bob123:matrix.org> I dont like the comment about the community in the update
15:29:23 <m-relay> <123bob123:matrix.org> Need stay on topic with update
15:29:23 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Same.
15:30:25 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> > On a not so grateful note, I'd like to add that since opening
this proposal, I've been on the receiving end of a campaign of harassment, abuse, libel and doxxing --
threatened and actual -- by a group of vindictive downvoters, some of whom are in this thread. These purported
"community members" are actively working against the wishes of the donors who supported the proposal. I
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15:30:25 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> iew this behavior as a long-term threat to the CCS and hope some
remedial action is taken.
15:30:59 <m-relay> <123bob123:matrix.org> Not warranted tbh
15:32:04 <m-relay> <123bob123:matrix.org> Heres my update, show me the money
15:32:30 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Also called for banning of people who scrutinize in progress ccs
proposals.
15:33:03 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> i dont think geonic is here atm , we can jump into the bans issue
later on
15:33:51 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> id just like to make nite
15:33:59 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Note, or clarify
15:34:36 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> thanks ! nowww recapping the random merges on a tuesday
15:34:50 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> That in progress ccs proposals arent "do whatever you want"
periods.. youre expected to deliver, or keep us updated etc, no?
15:34:52 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> a. [recanman to take over Monero integrations pt.
3](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/402) Merged - GLHF
15:35:09 <m-relay> <recanman:agoradesk.com> Thank you. It's going well so far. I'll send a progress update
soon.
15:35:35 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Purgatory ccs are all technically "in progress"
15:35:39 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> do you feel confident about the 2nd milestone,, the gateway work?
15:36:08 <m-relay> <recanman:agoradesk.com> I've looked into it, and it is not too hard.
15:36:33 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> recanmann to completed one of the oldest purgatory / in progress ccs'
15:36:42 <m-relay> <recanman:agoradesk.com> I haven't worked with wordpress too much, but it shouldn't be too
hard to set it up locally and play around with it
15:36:54 <m-relay> <123bob123:matrix.org> Was created on a scroll
15:37:04 <m-relay> <123bob123:matrix.org> Its that old
15:37:19 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> i have no new updates to present for any of the others btw sadly ..
(haveno back end / not ccs related is moving at a nice pace with updates)
15:37:58 <m-relay> <123bob123:matrix.org> Sdk ?
15:38:10 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> keep us updated with your progress recanmann 🙏
15:38:56 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> valldrac: is active / probably has updates to share yes (molly itself
is being updated with new features such as multi device support etc)
15:39:18 <m-relay> <123bob123:matrix.org> And edit message
15:39:22 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Multidevice support is a signal feature, no?
15:39:25 <m-relay> <123bob123:matrix.org> Winrar *
15:39:26 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> That too
15:39:37 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> it was recently just added to molly
15:39:54 <m-relay> <recanman:agoradesk.com> I don't think so, but I've never used signal
15:39:59 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> moving on with the tuesday night merge list:
15:40:04 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> b. [Add retroactive funding proposal for
FCMPs](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/403) Merging soon because
'if not funded in x months - i receive what was raised and consider it as being paid in full' was added
15:40:14 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> kayabanever has added that, so it will be merged soon(tm)
15:40:29 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> he added a period of 2 months
15:41:38 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> c. [Create Educational Content in
Spanish](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/406) Merged for funding @
https://ccs.getmonero.org/funding-required/
15:42:23 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> GL Lovera 🙏
15:42:24 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Sounds good 2 me
15:42:42 <m-relay> <123bob123:matrix.org> Yep
15:43:05 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> d. [Selfhosted tor gitea instance of monero
source](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/408)
15:43:05 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> has added a comment https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-
proposals/-/merge_requests/408#note_22516
15:43:12 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> 4rkal has been hosting the instance already since posting the
proposal
15:43:28 <m-relay> <recanman:agoradesk.com> I don't think it should be funded IMO
15:44:06 <m-relay> <recanman:agoradesk.com> There are already thousands of decentralized mirrors - that is
called git
15:44:09 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> perhaps he could address the concerns i raised in my comment, i
personally don't see it as being useful
15:45:00 <m-relay> <rucknium:monero.social> Possibly useful things: Practical PGP-based web of trust,
checking how many commits to the monero repo are signed (is it all?), researching ways to make sure no commits
are missing.
15:45:35 <m-relay> <123bob123:matrix.org> Someone needs to get monero off proprietary software
15:45:47 <m-relay> <recanman:agoradesk.com> Pretty much impossible
15:45:52 <m-relay> <recanman:agoradesk.com> For the majority of users
15:45:59 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> we have hashes up to a certain point/state i guess they could be...
signed
15:46:50 <m-relay> <123bob123:matrix.org> So the og proposal was started because of tornado cash and github
deleting devs
15:47:53 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> if your opinion of this ccs is negative - could it be changed to an
updoot? if yes, do you have any suggestions to change it? if no then please vote to close . i do commend 4rkal
for the honest milestone/payout structure and hosting it already
15:48:07 <m-relay> <recanman:agoradesk.com> I vote to close
15:48:32 <m-relay> <recanman:agoradesk.com> I vote to close. It's a nice idea but impractical in practice -
we are putting trust in a person for hosting the decentralized mirror
15:48:38 <m-relay> <recanman:agoradesk.com> I vote to close. It's a nice idea but impractical in practice -
we are putting trust in a (random) person for hosting the decentralized mirror
15:48:52 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> 4rkal also received a double bounties payout - and refunded the money
to all involved , so he's an honest person (long story dont ask)
15:48:54 <m-relay> <recanman:agoradesk.com> And the notion of git being decentralized already...
15:48:55 <m-relay> <4rkal:matrix.org> If it was up to me I would have moved all monero repos off GitHub. Not
a good idea to have a privacy project on GitHub. I do understand that for some reason it has been decided to
host them on GitHub. So what I'm proposing is a way to interact with the code (view clone etc) in a Foss
censorship resistant manor. I do understand the concerns about trust and am open to suggestions.
15:49:28 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> There was a long discussion about moving away from github
15:49:36 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Should read that first
15:49:45 <m-relay> <123bob123:matrix.org> Tldr
15:49:48 <m-relay> <recanman:agoradesk.com> ^
15:50:57 <m-relay> <rucknium:monero.social> This isn't the "long discussion", but some info on "backups":
https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-dev/20220809#c131094
15:51:31 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> thanks Rucknium
15:51:52 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/236
15:52:18 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> thanks ofrnxmr, 4rkal can read and respond to suggestions following
this meeting. with 8 minutes left (with another proposal and a hot topic to cover)
15:52:44 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> e. [dangerousfreedom - wallet
work](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/409)
15:53:25 <m-relay> <123bob123:matrix.org> Say github rm -rf monero there is a backup/mirror?
15:53:37 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> previous ccs completed / payout requested (i assume waiting for a
review of sorts / 'we're pleased' from the workgroup rbrunner .. and then to handle the new one
15:53:50 <m-relay> <recanman:agoradesk.com> https://git.wownero.com/monero-project/monero
15:55:30 <m-relay> <recanman:agoradesk.com> Unrelated note, https://lbsrc.getmonero.org is down
15:55:30 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> previous ccs update rbrunner https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-
project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/377#note_22413
15:55:54 <m-relay> <recanman:agoradesk.com> I say merge, his work is very much needed.
15:56:16 <m-relay> <123bob123:matrix.org> Cloudflare
15:56:38 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> And -dev
15:56:40 <m-relay> <recanman:agoradesk.com> Especially with the seraphis wallet PoC
15:57:38 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> thanks for the report, moving quickly on, a policy update - [Response
to a Proposal for a REGULATION OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE
15:57:38 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> COUNCIL on the legal tender of euro banknotes and
coins](https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/13429-Clarifying-the-legal-
tender-status-of-euro-banknotes-and-coins/F3436571_en) #monero-policy:monero.social ,,, Dan r/dark (Is not
the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate ) has also been working on degoogling things for them so they can produce
the a<clipped message>
15:57:38 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> bove types of papers using e.g. onlyoffice
15:58:13 <m-relay> <123bob123:matrix.org> Yest
15:58:19 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> finally, bans, https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/899
15:58:26 <m-relay> <123bob123:matrix.org> Waiting on midi too test
15:58:38 <m-relay> <recanman:agoradesk.com> This will be an interesting topic to discuss
15:58:43 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> Matrix/IRC Lack of proper moderation^
15:59:13 <m-relay> <123bob123:matrix.org> I think my post says enough
15:59:16 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> now, 2 or 3 days ago the situation came to a head , and people skept
on it, and it seems to be civil now? is my understanding correct?
15:59:31 <m-relay> <123bob123:matrix.org> Think so
15:59:32 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> When it comes to moderation vs administration, i find a lot of
mods to be opportunistic.
16:00:13 <m-relay> <123bob123:matrix.org> But it come to me making an issue doe something to be done
16:00:17 <m-relay> <123bob123:matrix.org> But it come to me making an issue for something to be done
16:00:52 <m-relay> <123bob123:matrix.org> Beside plowsof there isnt consistent mods in rooms
16:00:58 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Its been a thing for a long time. Mostly from those with the most
power
16:01:33 <m-relay> <123bob123:matrix.org> And then banning in reso room :/
16:01:34 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> They don't participate, and but happily jump on the banhammer if
someone they dont like speaks up
16:02:09 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Example from months ago "does anybody mind if i ban endogenic?"
From an admin that doesnt even attend meetings or reply to developers DM's
16:02:16 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> i ban kitty without warning / unban apologise - then do nothing other
times
16:02:48 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Imo admins should admin. Mods should mod
16:03:02 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Admins shouldnt moderate groups they arent even active in
16:03:45 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> And most of all, mods should put their username in the ban reason
when using banhammer
16:04:16 <m-relay> <123bob123:matrix.org> Or ban from gui
16:04:27 <m-relay> <123bob123:matrix.org> That shows names
16:05:04 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> we have plenty of admin issues (bad history settings in maby
rooms, no logging setup, no bridges) etc
16:05:33 <m-relay> <123bob123:matrix.org> Thats the other thing why isnt resolutions logged?
16:05:55 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Because charuto "said no bridges allowed"
16:06:20 <m-relay> <123bob123:matrix.org> So no logs and no history
16:06:30 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> So, also it means no irc users allowed
16:06:41 <m-relay> <123bob123:matrix.org> Yep
16:07:13 <m-relay> <123bob123:matrix.org> Youd think other mods would attend this meeting
16:07:14 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> this topic is open ended/on-going , i think we can end the meeting
soon/here after going over a bit
16:07:32 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> yes sir. Can end meeting
16:07:49 <m-relay> <123bob123:matrix.org> Sleepy time
16:07:56 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Point here: we need to select admins and their duties, mods and
their duties, and change them when necessary
16:08:10 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> We have some rooms admin by dead accounts
16:08:23 <plowsof> thanks all for attending ^ nioc has or has not renamed to something else
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