Monero Community Workgroup Meeting: Saturday 23rd December

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< plowsof:matrix.org > Greetings

< nioCat > meow

< michael:monero.social > Hello.

< hinto.janaiyo:matrix.org > hi

< nioCat > xmas weekend :)

< plowsof:matrix.org > luigi has a gift for us soon, an update from luigi1111 regarding timeline of when temporary CCS wallet is up and running.here

< midipoet > Hello

< plowsof > hiya

< hinto.janaiyo:matrix.org > is the CCS wallet address displayed to donators from monero-site or the CCS frontend repo?

< plowsof:matrix.org > would not have been possible without suggestions/feedback/work from the community. the images of the debian machine are being forensically analysed https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/923#issuecomment-1862024427

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > 🛌

< plowsof:matrix.org > i believe only the general fund address is displayed

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > Close

< michael:monero.social > Hello.

< hinto.janaiyo:matrix.org > just wondering which one we have to send a PR to (unless luigi does it)

< plowsof:matrix.org > that would be the ccs front end repo i think hinto 🤔 (which stnby reported that the gitlab instance needed an update, which was swiftly done)

< plowsof:matrix.org > a PR to remove any instances of the old ccs wallets primary address?

< hinto.janaiyo:matrix.org > pgp signature verifying the address from luigi should probably be done as well

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > or

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > Lemme just sync it :P

< plowsof:matrix.org > definitely. the new view wallet will be up and running / ready for merges shortly

< plowsof:matrix.org > now

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > View wallet is up

< plowsof:matrix.org > running on the backend*

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > Since last time we were here, midi mentioned meta being neglected

< plowsof:matrix.org > yes, midipoet is raising awareness of the abandoned meta issues https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues. Many have been/can be closed already, although briefly looking, some require updates/further discussion.

< plowsof:matrix.org > seems like selsta/ofrnxmr have closed some

< midipoet > I propose having a dedicated community meeting for open meta issues

< plowsof:matrix.org > Dan r/dark (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate ): has set up a mattermost for -events (and also for community)

< plowsof:matrix.org > would one of those focal boards be perfect to track monero-meta issues?

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > > <midipoet> I propose having a dedicated community meeting for open meta issues

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > im against that, as its clear meetings are a waste of time for meta

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > A massive wasre of time

< midipoet > how is it clear?

< plowsof:matrix.org > example: https://mattermost.monerokon.org/plugins/focalboard/team/7jxzshir6j895kwgu71mdx5xrc/shared/buntcef156pgp7fy6x5oyn33rny/vchn7j3cnkpnmiyczoqcbyizkcy?r=k7drhyrbfygt844ejqb7h58o6dw

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > You have different types of meta issues.

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > ideas - these cannot be solved at meetings

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > -logs

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > - not relevant

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > Anyway, about 40% of the issues rhat were outatanding have been deal with

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > another 15-20% in the worka

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > The rest are open discussions

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > Been dealt* with

< ctrej:matrix.org > hello

< midipoet > some are open discussions since 2018. How long should they stay open?

< hinto.janaiyo:matrix.org > which particular issue(s) need closing/discussion most?

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > A bunch of them, by reading the issue, seeing if still relevant, contacting those involved

< midipoet > We should have a process for reaching consensus on either a) doing something, b) outlining loose consensus on the matter, or c) close the issue (as it's dead).

< plowsof:matrix.org > alot have already been closed in the space of several days, thank you for shining a light on the issues

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > A lot of the 3yr old ones are being looked at

< midipoet > What about the ones from 2018?

< plowsof:matrix.org > organising what is what on a focal board first (with any relevant updates) seems a good next step

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > And revisited by the deva or proposers, a lot of them have been closed as completed or not viable

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > Example: vtnerd has commented on multiple and closed a couple

< plowsof:matrix.org > midipoet is hard to please. if you compare the -meta issues to before you raised awareness

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > You have ones where "we dont even use that system anymore"

< midipoet > So can we close them then?

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/310

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > no wallet left behind / seraphis is renaming a lot of things

< plowsof:matrix.org > i was assuming midpoet would come forward with a list of high priority meta issues but we can work on that instead if you have not much time

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > 580 and 581, ive contacted seth about. Not sure if these lists are being used anywhere, and adoption is much larger

< midipoet > plowsof: why would i come forward with a list at this meeting, when I was told to ask permission for a meeting?

< midipoet > better do as told!

< plowsof:matrix.org > when its time to reach consensus, then we can gather votes at a meeting when a simple yes/no is required?

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > you said you were going to propose an agenda (but im happy you didnt)

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > ty for letting me work in peace

< midipoet > ofrnxmr: i said that PRIOR to being told i had to ask permission. So here i am asking permission from the gatekeepers

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > Ok, no then ofrnxmr the gatekeeper says no

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > Ty.

< midipoet > Fair enough

< midipoet > Carry on

< plowsof:matrix.org > im going to give midipoet a yellow card for insulting our efforts and calling us gatekeepers

< plowsof:matrix.org > (im joking)

< midipoet > ye are definitely gatekeepers

< midipoet > Just so it's clear

< midipoet > Thanks for your time

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > How?

< plowsof:matrix.org > asking permission already sets the tone of us being gatekeepers

< midipoet > Yes

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > Im working

< midipoet > I was told to ask permission

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > And im asking the people involved

< plowsof:matrix.org > you asked me when there was a day without a meeting.. this meeting runs once every 2 weeks

< midipoet > In what was supposed to be a permissionless environment

< plowsof:matrix.org > there is no spoon midipoet, free your mind

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > github is NOT permissionless

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > i cant even close an issue.

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > Neither can plowsof.

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > the only thing i can do, is action

< nioCat > this is taking a rather large amount of time and we have much more to do

< nioCat > maybe a meeting is needed where we can talk about action

< midipoet > i would agree.

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > next agenda item ❤️

< hinto.janaiyo:matrix.org > ^ no idea what is happening

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > @niocat action is actioning with or without whoever

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > The bus doesnt wait

< plowsof:matrix.org > so meta-issues will be added to the agenda , if midipoet is organising adhoc meetings or a specific monero-meta room amazing

< plowsof:matrix.org > anything to add midipoet?

< midipoet > none. I'll organise a meeting when required

< plowsof:matrix.org > thank you

< plowsof:matrix.org > [Douglas Tuman Working full-time on Monero Projects (6 months)

< plowsof:matrix.org > ](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/250#note_23029) update available for feedback

< plowsof:matrix.org > the full payout amount has been requested with quite the extensive update of Doug/Sunitas achievements

< nioCat > did he quit his job?

< nioCat > no, he came to his senses lol

< nioCat > I was not involved with this originally

< plowsof:matrix.org > shortcomings in areas wihle overachieving in others

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > i honestly appreciate dougs outreach

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > Right

< hinto.janaiyo:matrix.org > maybe off-topic: i think we should start figuring out the community multisig signers relatively soon

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > He's helped sponsor sports teams, onboard merchants

< plowsof:matrix.org > we have until March

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > And monerotopia never ccs'd

< nioCat > they did try once

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > So i also think about monerkon costs vs how much topia saved us

< nioCat > anyway as before I don't have much to say

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > And i expect there to be a topia 2024

< plowsof:matrix.org > if people haven't had time to read the full update / leave feedback, well, we can give people time as it was posted ~7 days ago

< nioCat > they are trying to make it not conflict timewise with kon

< plowsof:matrix.org > nice

< hinto.janaiyo:matrix.org > there's 6~8 meetings left to figure out what set of people are responsible for releasing funds for CCS's (luigi said explicitly he doesn't want to be included)

< plowsof:matrix.org > and btw an easy to use airgapped wallet wouldnt have been possible so quick without featherwallet which has a reproducible build process, and requests people to build/sign hashes (much like Monero with gitian) more info here. much appreciated if you have a spare 40gigs of disk space / computing power. https://github.com/feather-wallet/feather-sigs

< plowsof:matrix.org > tobtoht is also working on multisig UX with jeffro256

< hinto.janaiyo:matrix.org > excluding conflict of interest people, there's almost no-one available :)

< nioCat > Cat has no conflicts of interest

< plowsof:matrix.org > gingeropolous debruyne nioCat

< plowsof:matrix.org > rbrunner7

< midipoet > charuto, perhaps

< plowsof:matrix.org > also good

< midipoet > ofrnxmr as well

< nioCat > *Cat is not the strongest when it comes to tech

< hinto.janaiyo:matrix.org > okay never mind we have an ample amount of people, but would they take on the responsibility?

< plowsof:matrix.org > just use peer pressure

< nioCat > lol

< plowsof:matrix.org > it'll be fine

< plowsof:matrix.org > congratulate them before theyve agreed etc

< ctrej:matrix.org > congratulations plowsof

< ctrej:matrix.org > ^like that?

< plowsof:matrix.org > y- yes

< nioCat > as things take longer than expected it's not a bad idea to get this rolling sooner rather than later

< nioCat > I am sure plowsof knows :)

< plowsof:matrix.org > it would be nice if tobtoht and jeffro256 could discuss a portential ccs together working on their planned multisig UX upgrades

< plowsof:matrix.org > instead of pulling hours away from their other work

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > 100%.

< plowsof:matrix.org > the open CCS issues have all been voted on bar one, hintos cuprate proposal

< plowsof:matrix.org > which has been updated recently k. hinto-janai - full-time work on Cuprate (3 months)

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > Lets discuss hinto's

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > kayabanerve: boog900: someoneelse495495:

< hinto.janaiyo:matrix.org > do i just leave the room now or...

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > vtnerd: jberman: jeffro256:

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > any comments?

< plowsof:matrix.org > will monero-core benefit from this work?

< nioCat > hinto you are free to stay

< hinto.janaiyo:matrix.org > not immediately, but yes definitely medium/long-term

< nioCat > answer questions and give input :)

< plowsof:matrix.org > boog900 could not get over the hurdles faced when trying to get cuprate work funded. only until he changed the proposal to sponsor work that would specifically benefit monero-sore

< hinto.janaiyo:matrix.org > after all, we're digging up 8+ year old code no one wants to touch and can relay all the (correct and incorrect) behavior we see

< plowsof:matrix.org > s/sore/core

< plowsof:matrix.org > perhaps boog900's work has changed the outlook on cuprate and it is less of a blocker now? not much feedback has been obtained yet

< boog900:monero.social > I had the document in from the start of my current proposal

< plowsof:matrix.org > that seems to be the main issue, obtaining feedback. when luigi handles merges it wont be a needle in a haystack

< plowsof:matrix.org > 2 quick news items: sech1 notes peak in tx's "All time high was 62k, but it's when minexmr closed and paid out all pending balance. if we don't count that event, current peak is all time high" monerologs. CakePay returns [reddit post] (https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/18o06fe/cake_pay_adds_over_500_new_xmr_purchasa

< plowsof:matrix.org > ble/) / monero.town

< ofrnxmr:monero.social > 528 hrs is how long in weeks?

< plowsof:matrix.org > 40 hours a week would be 13.2

< nioCat > hinto I believe that this has been answered before but does the proposed work still maintain it's relevancy with the intended move to Seraphis

< kayabanerve:matrix.org > 👋

< hinto.janaiyo:matrix.org > seraphis is mostly changes on the wallet side of things, for now cuprate is just re-implementing the node

< kayabanerve:matrix.org > This is the wrong question. Will Monero?

< kayabanerve:matrix.org > While I haven't read up on this proposal specifically, give me a minute and I can, cuprate does benefit Monero and monero Core

< plowsof:matrix.org > right, the Monero

< nioCat > ofrn pi weeks

< kayabanerve:matrix.org > The recent failure in seeds was detected by monero-serai btw

< plowsof:matrix.org > as i thought, it is a needle in a haystack

< hinto.janaiyo:matrix.org > ofrnxmr: 3 months, 8.8 hours mon-fri

< kayabanerve:matrix.org > Eh, half and half. Serai implemented a slightly distinct algorithm which had this shared root cause.

< plowsof:matrix.org > if kayaba could review in a more relaxed timeframe and leave feedback that is also fine

< plowsof:matrix.org > although kayabanerve is a savant

< kayabanerve:matrix.org > I don't agree with all of the comments but the rate seems more than reasonable and I believe hinto can do the work discussed.

< kayabanerve:matrix.org > I also believe in the value of cuprate

< kayabanerve:matrix.org > I'll also disclose hinto made a couple minor PRs to monero-serai already so if you believe this CCS will cause more, I have a conflict of interest

< plowsof:matrix.org > thank you for the feedback and openness

< plowsof:matrix.org > we're over the hour but can continue the current topic, is there AOB?

< kayabanerve:matrix.org > AOB?

< plowsof:matrix.org > (any other business) midipoet travelled 300km~ to sign papers for monerokons "twisted edwards" / Siren has to go to the embassy a 2nd time .. ajs_ will attend at the start of January, thank you to all of them . more info in #monero-events:monero.social

< nioCat > meeting in #monero-events in less than 1hr

< plowsof:matrix.org > thank you all for attending x

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