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< plowsof:matrix.org > Community meeting in 38 mins https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/968
< plowsof:matrix.org > Anonero wallet having some internal issues? is everything ok @r4v3r https://monero.observer/anon-v1.0-release-postponed-internal-issues
< plowsof:matrix.org > Haveno will be on mainnet soon? https://github.com/haveno-dex/haveno 👀
< plowsof:matrix.org > Meeting time https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/968
< plowsof:matrix.org > Greetings!
_< ajs:matrix.org >__ Hello
< plowsof:matrix.org > with haveno on the horizon, and usable peer to peer atomic swaps @ #basicswap:matrix.org the future is bright
< plowsof:matrix.org > hi ajs_ how is the call for presentations going for monerokon? i believe Dr Aaron / Sarang has already signed up? Luke parker too. is there a page where can see the currently accepted ones?
< plowsof:matrix.org > https://cfp.monerokon.org/2024/cfp submission deadline 15th march tweet @ https://nitter.esmailelbob.xyz/monerokon/status/1758780130413904191?s=61
< plowsof:matrix.org > donations are coming in for vtnerd still, now @ almost 26 xmr https://monerofund.org/projects/Q1Q2_2024_dev_vtnerd
< michael:monero.social > Hello.
< plowsof:matrix.org > xmrscott and i have agreed to help with the weblate (localization) issues. ive/scott gave my ssh keys to the back end admin and await an onboarding of sorts
< plowsof:matrix.org > escapethe3ra has a nice summary of the previous MRL meeting that discussed unlock_time (which Rucknium shared some new usage data for it during) https://monero.observer/meeting-log-summary-monero-research-lab-meeting-14-february-2024/
< plowsof:matrix.org > any other highlights people want to raise? Binance's official delisting is in 3 days woohoo
< plowsof:matrix.org > woodser where is the best place to catch the upcoming announcements for haevno?
< plowsof:matrix.org > we can move on if nothing pops up, https://monero.observer/ full of recent content 👍️
< michael:monero.social > Monero Observer is great yes.
< plowsof:matrix.org > where are we at with rates selsta / boog900 for your ccs proposals?
< selsta > i updated it once but will update again if the price changed noticeably
< plowsof:matrix.org > ok thank you
< plowsof:matrix.org > a. Boog900 full time work on Cuprate (3 months)
< woodser:monero.social > #Haveno is best place for the latest news on haveno, and we'll make any major announcements on reddit, etc
< plowsof:matrix.org > thanks woodser #haveno:monero.social
< plowsof:matrix.org > if anyone has comments on boog900's proposal, please share, it has 3 updoots and presumably has/will receive same support as hinto who was recently merged/funded for cuprate work
< ofrnxmr > plowsof ccs too
< ofrnxmr > Gm
< plowsof:matrix.org > i have a merge request open for a bit of spring cleaning we can look at later
< ofrnxmr > 👍
< plowsof:matrix.org > we can wait for boog900 to comment on his proposal / rates if requried
< plowsof:matrix.org > selsta has is at this moment ok with them:
< plowsof:matrix.org > b. selsta part-time monero development (3 months)
< trasherdk:monero.social > Not much going on. No new exciting development?
< plowsof:matrix.org > adjustment of 124 to 153 to reflect market changes
< ofrnxmr > Sure there is
< plowsof:matrix.org > +1 for latest rates
< ofrnxmr > -1
< ofrnxmr > Should have been adjusted and merged already :P
< ofrnxmr > I swear selstas ccs should be merged already. Imnot voting now so we can redo this in 2 weeks
< ofrnxmr > I already voted "give raise and merge"
< plowsof:matrix.org > luigi likes to was 1 week for good luck
< ofrnxmr > 1week+3days (tuesday)
< plowsof:matrix.org > latest development on monero core @ https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pulls , some interesting things from jeffro256 / vtnerd / 0xFFFC , and tobtoht working on his bootstrappable builds PR / fixing problems. Koe is active ATM
< ofrnxmr > Bf deploying site??
< ofrnxmr > Binaryfate
< plowsof:matrix.org > no response yet on that front ^
< ofrnxmr > Yet haveno wants core involved in haveno
< plowsof:matrix.org > 'Dad can we deploy site today' .. 'Son, ive just got home from work can we do it tomorrow'
< ofrnxmr > is he.. ok?
< ofrnxmr > Is gf ok?
< plowsof:matrix.org > yes he performed usual duties a few days ago, assuming availability problem
< ofrnxmr > Ok
< plowsof:matrix.org > haveno are building their council currently
< ofrnxmr > Ofrnxmr and his alts will choose arbi-traitors
_< ajs:matrix.org >__ Are they still getting 50% automatic fee kick backs?
< ofrnxmr > yes
< ofrnxmr > But "its not for profit" - erc
< plowsof:matrix.org > iirc nothing had changed, the structure remains the same for the council woodser
< plowsof:matrix.org > finding the image (but does that detail the % fees / where they go?)
< plowsof:matrix.org > https://haveno.exchange/blog/haveno-structure/
< nioCat > sorry was busy serving cat2
< nioCat > when will selsta's new xmr requested amount change?
< selsta > welp luigi just merged it
< plowsof:matrix.org > "The idea is to send 100% of the fees paid by users on Haveno to a CCS system, that from now on we will call Engine." , so it requires some digging to decipher the fee %'s
< plowsof:matrix.org > congrats selsta xD
< selsta > i wanted to update it one more time
< ofrnxmr > Congrats selsta :P
< ofrnxmr > Its ok, ill update the price of monero
< nioCat > selsta plowsof I don't see selsta's CCS in either ideas or funding
_< ajs:matrix.org >__ After the events of Tornado Cash, I hope they seriously reconsider the proposed structure
_< ajs:matrix.org >__ It is flawed imo
< selsta > i had to change wip to fr
< ofrnxmr > Ajs - we agree lmfao
< selsta > I will open a PR to fix it
< plowsof:matrix.org > ok well it error'd / didnt go to funding
_< ajs:matrix.org >__ Supposed DEX is defacto centralized with extra steps
< ofrnxmr > I 100% agree ajs. Thats probably why erc dumped haveno so fast
< nioCat > yes the tornado cash thing happened after the structure of haveno was proposed
< plowsof:matrix.org > its been 2 years and yep
< plowsof:matrix.org > selsta what is happening btw
< ofrnxmr > not just "centralized with extra steps" but supposedly that is why its not mainnet
< ofrnxmr > Politics
< plowsof:matrix.org > it is up for funding selsta, we need to wait for nioCat to login to n1oc to announce
< nioCat > selsta's CCS has been moved to funding https://ccs.getmonero.org/funding-required/
< n1oc > selsta part-time monero development (3 months) has moved to funding! https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/selsta-12.html
< plowsof:matrix.org > ha ha thank you
< nioCat > for the correct amount
< selsta > n1oCat
< ofrnxmr:agoradesk.com > vtnerd
< nioCat > ajs have you brought you questions about the structure of haveno to the haveno channel?
< ofrnxmr > Yes he did
< nioCat > thx
< nioCat > I seem to have missed that discussion
< ofrnxmr > "imo the safest bet against running a foul with regulators is to make Haveno a purely non-profit, donation-based software development company and just put the code out there"
< ofrnxmr > Nov 9 2022
< shortwavesurfer2009:monero.social > Ruins everything
< ofrnxmr > Re vtnerd - prevote
< shortwavesurfer2009:monero.social > Just send it all to general fund until council is ready and let it go live on mainnet
< ofrnxmr > Vtnerd has a MAGIC proposal open which is may be funded in like 2+n years (jk, but seriously)
< plowsof > what if a non profit forks haveno and receives community funding
< ofrnxmr > Is anybody against vtnerd opening a ccs here and shifting magic for a later proposal
< shortwavesurfer2009:monero.social > I tried to force it to main and got 3/4 the way there, but no seed nodes
< plowsof > also possible depending on the communities feelings toward the structure (which i asked for a refresher/onboarding for as i am confused still)
< plowsof > haveno core for code is woodser and vik (cakewallet)
< ofrnxmr > 3 days til delist
< selsta > maybe the general fund could donate to vtnerds magic proposal? it would be a good use of funds
< shortwavesurfer2009:monero.social > Wouldn't it be beautiful to have it on the day of de-listing launch?
< plowsof > i am not against vtnerd opening a concurrent CCS. to make it fit any duplication rules it could be for his monero-core contributions on github
< shortwavesurfer2009:monero.social > At 03:00 utc on the 20th right when binance delists
< ofrnxmr > I dont see any problem with duplication - as hes not working for magic
< nioCat > selsta: the GF has been asked if they would do so, I believe 2 weeks ago
< nioCat > no response yet
< ofrnxmr > Magic cant pay for the work in scope, they have to pay for whatever will be in scope in 3 months
< ofrnxmr > GF donating to vtnerd for magic is, as ruck woukd call it, unorofessional
< ofrnxmr > Vtnerd could have had 100% funding from community in minutes/days, but instead magic wants to backdoor generalfund to oretend magic raised money
< plowsof > shortwavesurfer2009 at this point, any time before the delisting is good enough but that would be very poetic
< selsta > i just want to see vtnerd funded
< plowsof > +1 important dev (even if we remove monero-lws from the picture) in my 'i look at github comments/Prs but understand not much' opinion
< shortwavesurfer2009:monero.social > I would jump for joy if it went live right now.
< ofrnxmr > same. So lets open him a ccs here and merge it
< trasherdk:monero.social > Can't vtnerd drop that other thing and come back to CCS ?
< ofrnxmr > Yes he can. But MAGIC would like him to believe its a bad idea
< plowsof > vtnerd himself has some hesitations / or wants to wait for.. something. lets wait for him to comment after this feedback
< nioCat > vtnerd had his reasons for going thru magic
< ofrnxmr > for everyone ive spoken to, it seems MAGIC are the only people not ok with allowing vtnerd to move magic to proposal 2/2 and use ccs for 1/2
< ofrnxmr > and i never proposed he close one, i proposed he raised 6 months worth of money instead of 3
< ofrnxmr > 123 ccs 456 magic (since magic isnt capable of making 123 deadline)
< plowsof > a CCS proposal for different quarters of the year xD
< ofrnxmr > Right
< ofrnxmr > Maybe haveno can donate to MAGIC 💀
< plowsof > anything else to close this meeting out (as we're over the hour)
< ofrnxmr > So much politics for a solution so simple
< nioCat > ty plowsof
< ofrnxmr > lastly
< plowsof:matrix.org > a spring cleaning merge request to clean up some wip proposals https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/434/diffs
< ofrnxmr > 3 days til delisting from binance. Have a good week guys
< plowsof:matrix.org > not that "returned to the general fund" on some has "happened" already (as they literally sit in the general fund at this moment)
< plowsof:matrix.org > s/not/note
< plowsof:matrix.org > thank you all for attending
< ofrnxmr > Ty for chairing
< plowsof:matrix.org > events meeting in 50 minutes (niocat?) #monero-events:monero.social
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16:11:04 <nioCat> probably :D
16:12:15 <m-relay> <michael:monero.social> Dankon very much for the good meeting and moderation plowsof.
16:12:17 <ofrnxmr> https://matrix.to/#/!cSwJDzxRuWndmFUZTd:haveno.network/$GC_z8Ku5m-N53CbeuQXp3jOF6LRAJrh3MGwz1XKfy2A?via=monero.social&via=matrix.org&via=tchncs.de
16:12:18 <ofrnxmr> Re haveno structure
16:27:29 <m-relay> <shortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> This was my first community meeting, and honestly, I kind of forgot that it was going on, so hope I didn't disrupt anything, because that was not my intention.
16:29:59 <ofrnxmr> I was late and forgot that my 40mins was everybody elses 1:10
16:32:27 <m-relay> <shortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> Normally, at this time of morning, I am listening to Monero Topia.
16:45:47 <m-relay> <woodser:monero.social> we're open to any suggestions. best we can do as far as we know is forego any trade fees and be purely donation-based. then the council is an independent entity, separate from software development
17:12:20 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> Sorry I wasn't in the meeting, I've updated the rate
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