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morerokk / IreNFist

A continuation/fix of the IreNFist mod for PAYDAY 2
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Question regarding Shotgunners' damage on Death Sentence difficulty #59

Closed ghost closed 3 years ago

ghost commented 3 years ago

On Death Sentence, shotgunners can one-shot heisters and obliterate Jokers hastily as well, even if you have the Partners in Crime Aced skill. I was wondering if this was intended since Shotgunners can spawn in groups, and in some heists, it's frustratingly difficult to avoid getting shot by them.

(However, if this was intended, may I provide a suggestion to reduce their damage and range further?)

Edit: I can confirm that Jokers are practically useless on Death Sentence since they die in a matter of seconds by Shotgunners.

morerokk commented 3 years ago

DS is a meme, and the default shotgunners on DS are actually slightly less hard-hitting than the default riflemen. The problem arises in the fact that InF nerfs the riflemen to a more reasonable level, but doesn't nerf the shotgunners.

I will be correcting this soon by dropping the shotgunner damage and falloff down a bit. I will also slightly reduce the shotgun squad spawn chance, since I don't like them being 50/50.

Thanks for your feedback!

ghost commented 3 years ago

No problem. I play on Death Sentence for achievement purposes. At first, I thought it was intended for Shotgunners to deal a lot of damage. But then I started to play on cramped, yet exposed heists like The Biker Heist Day 2 and Cursed Kill Room, and that's when I noticed that Shotgunners are a bit overpowered. And even Kingpin's Injector was unable to absorb the damage.

Interestingly enough, Medics with Shotguns don't deal with the same damage as Zeal Shotgunners. Blue cops with Shotguns, however, deal the same damage as Zeal Shotgunners.

And with the addition of harder domination, it was a frustrating experience to finish those heist, not to mention that Jokers die hastily anyway :/

morerokk commented 3 years ago

Fixed in the next version. InF already nerfed their damage but apparently this wasn't enough.

ghost commented 3 years ago

I say it's far more doable now, but Jokers still struggle against Shotgunners, even on Death Wish. This is due to the fact that they can get knocked back easily but unable to get up since Shotgunners spawn in groups, and they would just die thereafter. This is kind of an issue for users like me who rely on Jokers for health regeneration.

morerokk commented 3 years ago

The next version with the actual shotgunner fixes isn't uploaded yet sadly. I got sidetracked into testing what happens when I uncap the AI task limit (like FSS does), and I happened to run into a major base-game performance bug (which FSS left unfixed and actively makes the problem worse).

I'll probably have a next release ready really soon, which will fix a lot of issues with teamless cops too.

ghost commented 3 years ago

That's great to hear. Thanks for the quick update o7

morerokk commented 3 years ago

Fixed.