Closed ghost closed 5 years ago
I'll make a little survey and ask who agrees with relicensing their code to LGPLv2+ for mpv. Doing this in this github issue is especially useful, because for some contributors I only have their github handle at best, and communication exclusively happened over Github (and partially IRC), this should work. (Also, this is the trivial part, as opposed to asking MPlayer contributors from ancient times.)
The following already agreed on IRC: @avih @pigoz @lachs0r @rcombs
The following includes all github users who posted a pull request on this project. Sorry if I got someone whose PRs were not actually accepted.
@haasn @henry0312 @divVerent @rr- @Kovensky @Yukikaze1 @mati75 @torque @jubalh @eworm-de @rossy @akemi-san @xylosper @Necior @wd0 @sam142 @CrisBRM @kevmitch @qmega @czarkoff @Shudouken @Cloudef @onceking @gunmantheh @masand @zymos @olifre @m45t3r @Skyrainfit @Cpuroast @Argon- @theshortcut @ghost @mathstuf @ryanmjacobs @selsta @Ionic @Nyx0uf @qyot27 @ravenexp @TimothyGu @jaimeMF @ghedo @ahodesuka
@shdown @moskvax @otommod @liuch @brunogm0 @knthzh bjin @ryanmjacobs @andlang @c-14 @jpalus @frau @michaelforney @foo86 @lu-zero @AoD314 @atomnuker @MoSal @markun @amosonn @lucy @ainstushar @MartinN13 @Yomi0 @jleclanche @Nikoli @juanfra684 @AoD314 @andre-d @EvanPurkhiser @candux @ricardomv @deuiore @blinry @percontation @ahodesuka @paulguy @gam-phon @grigorig @elevengu @munousha @jozzse @Bilalh @scarabeusiv @mixi @MagikBSD @vikaapelsinova @hroncok @svenstaro
@viveksjain @agiz @bugmen0t @keeperofdakeys @enkore @CrimsonVoid @wrl @MadFishTheOne @ion1 @d3xter @benf @chengsun @gs93 @jon-y @veprbl @jhawthorn @jmglogow @elevengu @richardpl @spaam @maletor @wsldankers @kax4
I agree that my past contributions to mpv, mplayer2, or MPlayer are relicensed to the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2 or later
Of the above people, please post in this issue with on of the following:
I agree that my past contributions to mpv, mplayer2, or MPlayer are relicensed to the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2 or later
I agree that my past contributions to mpv, mplayer2, or MPlayer are relicensed to the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2 or later
I agree that my past contributions to mpv, mplayer2, or MPlayer are relicensed to the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2 or later
I agree that my past contributions to mpv, mplayer2, or MPlayer are relicensed to the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2 or later.
I agree that my past contributions to mpv, mplayer2, or MPlayer are relicensed to the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2 or later.
I agree that my past contributions to mpv, mplayer2, or MPlayer are relicensed to the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2 or later
(For the record, I have no idea whether the phrase I chose is legally binding. But it ought to be enough - it's as formal as you can get on github, and github is used as exlusive medium of communication here.)
I agree that my past contributions to mpv, mplayer2, or MPlayer are relicensed to the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2 or later
I agree that my past contributions to mpv, mplayer2, or MPlayer are relicensed to the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2 or later
I agree that my past contributions to mpv, mplayer2, or MPlayer are relicensed to the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2 or later
I agree that my past contributions to mpv, mplayer2, or MPlayer are relicensed to the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2 or later
I agree that my past contributions to mpv, mplayer2, or MPlayer are relicensed to the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2 or later
EDIT: I see my only contribution was a one-line manpage fix, which has since been removed anyway.
Some users I "forgot" so far, or didn't highlight properly: @bjin @ChrisK2
I agree that my past contributions to mpv, mplayer2, or MPlayer are relicensed to the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2 or later
I agree that my past contributions to mpv, mplayer2, or MPlayer are relicensed to the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2 or later.
I agree that my past contributions to mpv, mplayer2, or MPlayer are relicensed to the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2 or later
I agree that my past contributions to mpv, mplayer2, or MPlayer are relicensed to the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2 or later, or, at your option, BSD 2-clause or BSD 3-clause.
I agree that my past contributions to mpv, mplayer2, or MPlayer are relicensed to the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2 or later
I agree that my past contributions to mpv, mplayer2, or MPlayer are relicensed to the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2 or later
I haven't seen any of my contributions get included, but in case they do at a later time: I agree that my past contributions to mpv, mplayer2, or MPlayer are relicensed to the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2 or later
I agree that my past contributions to mpv, mplayer2, or MPlayer are relicensed to the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2.1 or later
Ditto On Jun 8, 2015 1:41 PM, "James Ross-Gowan" notifications@github.com wrote:
I agree that my past contributions to mpv, mplayer2, or MPlayer are relicensed to the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2 or later
— Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/issues/2033#issuecomment-110089005.
I agree that my past contributions to mpv, mplayer2, or MPlayer are relicensed to an OSI-approved license, including GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2 or later.
If another license is chosen I retain my right to not accept such relicensing.
(In short, LGPL 2.1 and 3 are ok, MIT and BSD ok, any future LGPL 4 or whatever, you have to ask me again).
I agree that my past contributions to mpv, mplayer2, or MPlayer are relicensed to the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2 or later
I agree that my past contributions to mpv, mplayer2, or MPlayer are relicensed to the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2 or later.
I agree that my past contributions to mpv, mplayer2, or MPlayer are relicensed to the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2 or later.
:horse:
To clarify a few things...
--enable-lgpl
version. (But only if the code is independent enough.)@lu-zero:
I agree that my past contributions to mpv, mplayer2, or MPlayer are relicensed to an OSI-approved license, including GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2 or later.
(In short, LGPL 2.1 and 3 are ok, MIT and BSD ok, any future LGPL 4 or whatever, you have to ask me again).
You contradict yourself with the bit about LGPLv4, since with "LGPLv2.1 or later" you agree that LGPLv4 can be applied.
I agree that my past contributions to mpv, mplayer2, or MPlayer are relicensed to the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2 or later
I agree that my past contributions to mpv, mplayer2, or MPlayer are relicensed to the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2 or later, or, at your option, MIT License/BSD-2 clause License.
I agree that my past contributions to mpv, mplayer2, or MPlayer are relicensed to the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2 or later.
I agree that my past contributions to mpv, mplayer2, or MPlayer are relicensed to the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2.1 or later.
LGPL 4 is not an OSI-approved license as today list since it does not exist and I do not agree to relicense to something unknown.
The "later" in this case covers the intersection of OSI-approved licenses and LGPL-licenses, thus 2.1 and 3. By considering my contributions MIT, you should be able to use them even in the case LGPL-4 is not something I agree with and I do not want my code be bound to.
I agree that my past contributions to mpv, mplayer2, or MPlayer are relicensed to the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2 or later.
I agree that my past contributions to mpv, mplayer2, or MPlayer are relicensed to the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2 or later.
I agree that my past contributions to mpv, mplayer2, or MPlayer are relicensed to the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2 or later.
I agree that my past contributions to mpv, mplayer2, or MPlayer are relicensed to the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2.1 or later.
I agree that my past contributions to mpv, mplayer2, or MPlayer are relicensed to the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2.1 or later
I agree that my past contributions to mpv, mplayer2, or MPlayer are relicensed to the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2.1 or later
@lu-zero: well, the standard LGPL license header is usually:
* mpv is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
* modify it under the terms of the GNU Lesser General Public
* License as published by the Free Software Foundation; either
* version 2.1 of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
(This is also what Libav does.)
So if you do not agree to LGPLv4, it would have to be something like "either version 2.1 of the License, or version 3.0". This is not very practical.
I agree that my past contributions to mpv, mplayer2, or MPlayer are relicensed to the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2 or later.
I guess I can't convince you to pin versions (or later is quite evil) so:
"I agree that my past contributions to mpv, mplayer2, or MPlayer are relicensed to the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2 or later, or, at your option, MIT License/BSD-2 clause License."
I agree that my past contributions to mpv, mplayer2, or MPlayer are relicensed to the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2.1 or later
I agree that my past contributions to mpv, mplayer2, or MPlayer are relicensed to the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2.1 or later.
FAQ
What, why?
The mpv project (a MPlayer and mplayer2 fork) is relicensing its code base from GPLv2 or later to LGPLv 2.1 or later. For that, we're asking MPlayer, mplayer2, and mpv contributors to give us permission. This includes occasional or one-time contributors. For reasons why we are doing this and for details on the relicensing process see the sections below.
How do I give my permission?
Posting something informal like
in this github issue or per email to wm4 (nfxjfg@googlemail.com) should be sufficient. (I've also sent a lot of mails via a private mail account, because the gmail one looks like it could be dismissed as spam too easily.)
If you post on a github issue, and your github account doesn't show your real name or an email address you used for MPlayer development, please make sure to identify yourself so that we can link you to specific MPlayer contributions!
If you don't want to give permission to relicense some specific parts, but don't mind that the core is relicensed in general, it's possible that we negotiate a list of files or a list of commits we're allowed to relicense. This could explicitly exclude parts you want to keep GPL. You could also choose to state that relicensing any code still remaining in mpv is fine (this would exclude anything that is still in MPlayer, but not mpv).
I never contributed much and I don't even know if my code is still there. Why did I get email about this / why was I pinged on github? Do I even have to give my permission?
Some people say that their contribution was too minor and uncopyrightable, or that their code was replaced or refactored. This could be true. But we are not lawyers. It's not always sure what constitutes a minor/uncopyrightable change, or when new code is considered to be derived from some piece of replaced/refactored code. So getting as many agreements as possible is very helpful for us, even if the original authors of a patch think it doesn't matter, or it was a minor patch many years ago. Please respond to relicensing requests, even if you think it's not necessary!
It's also possible that you were asked, even though you did not contribute to MPlayer directly. For example you could have contributed to a different project, and MPlayer incorporated some of its code. That code would still be copyrighted by you (at least partially), so we need to ask for relicensing permission.
Were the email for relicensing requests sent automatically?
No. Every single of them was sent manually. They were sent only to people for which there was at least a chance that their agreement would be required.
Did the MPlayer project agree with this?
Most of the MPlayer developers agreed (including original and current developers). Most contributors who have been asked so far agreed as well. See the status of MPlayer contributors.
Do you assume non-replies mean agreement (OpenSSL style relicensing)?
No. Copyright law doesn't work this way. If someone doesn't reply, and he has copyright on parts we want to relicense, we will have to remove their code to succeed.
What happens if I don't agree?
Then the entire relicensing of mpv will fail. If there are only some cases, we'll probably try to remove the code of contributors who have not agreed (if possible). My plan B would be writing a new player from scratch.
Note that it might be fine to agree to relicensing of only some parts. We're mostly interested in relicensing the core, so a LGPL libmpv is possible. Also see the next FAQ entry below.
Will all of mpv be relicensed?
Most likely only the core and components required for libmpv. For example, it's unlikely that the X11 windowing code, the V4L TV code, or the DVD code get relicensed. These parts will remain GPL, and will not be compiled in LGPL configurations. On the other hand, many patches touching X11 also added code to other parts of the player, such as adding new options (which would later be supported by other windowing code) - we'd still want to relicense those changes.
Due to the aforementioned messy licensing state of the VO windowing backends, it looks like mpv CLI LGPL will be unusable on some systems (e.g. X11), while LGPL libmpv will hopefully be useful.
In addition, the following parts were removed from mpv, and we won't ask for relicensing those parts: mencoder, the GUI, Linux 2.4 kernel drivers (!), dozens of decoder library wrappers, the win32 codec loader, ancient video outputs, filters, the build system, documentation in general, and imported libraries such as a bunch of mpeg decoders. Some libraries were moved to separate projects and have already been relicensed a long time ago, like libswscale and libass. mpv is highly reliant on FFmpeg for decoders and demuxers, which probably accounts for most of the core code removed.
Will the license of MPlayer change?
Definitely not. To make it easier for us, we're skipping a lot of MPlayer code in the relicensing that is not used by mpv anymore (and that was not used to derive new mpv code from it). This is possible because mpv dropped large parts of MPlayer code (see previous question). All this means that even if you'd apply the relicensing agreements to MPlayer, you wouldn't get anything working out of it.
Do I lose the rights to my code?
No, you retain copyright and own your code. The effect is merely that others (the mpv project) can use your code under LGPL instead of only the GPL.
I made contributions to MPlayer, but I wasn't contacted?
Please reply to this github issue or send email to give your agreement/disagreement.
See also VLC's LGPL relicensing FAQ.
Reasons
The reason is mostly that the player got turned into a library (libmpv), and the associated problems of a GPL lib for a library user. Here's a detailed list of reasons why this is desirable, alternatives, and some discussion:
The main reason is easily the fact that mpv prefers embedding video by accessing the host application's OpenGL context. This means the host application has to link to libmpv directly and run in the same process as mpv, just for the GL context. This is called the opengl-cb API in libmpv. While technically possible in many cases, sharing some sort of video context (like an OpenGL context) over process boundaries is fragile and complex, so linking to libmpv is required.
MPlayer on the other hand embeds an OS window over process boundaries (with the
-wid
option). This is becoming technically unfeasible, and the libmpv opengl-cb API sidesteps many issues with it.While mpv can still be embedded using the "old" method (and by using e.g. the JSON API), we prefer the opengl-cb, and don't want license issues to hamper this. Nor do we want the rendering method to have an influence on the application's license.
Relicensing process
We will ask mpv, MPlayer, and mplayer2 developers for their agreement. We will probably skip contributors who contributed documentation or website changes only (MPlayer has extensive documentation in multiple languages, all in the main code repository). We will also skip developers who have contributed only to now-removed code (such as vo_svga.c or libswscale).
We will also ask people who have contributed single patches a long time ago, as long as their code was used as base for further developments. It's important and appreciated that these people give their agreement as well.
So far I think it's ok to relicense a source file if:
all current contents of the file are written by authors who agreed with the LGPL switch
removed contents do not count, as long as new code was not "derived" from it (such as simple refactoring)
care has to be taken that lines, which merely went through cosmetic changes or refactoring, are considered as "current content" (i.e. mere git blame output is not necessarily meaningful)
Authors which only did minor cosmetic changes of some sort do not have a copyright on the file (consider code reindenting). Extreme care has to be taken here - copyright always sticks, even with simple changes. It's not clear when a change is uncopyrightable. Most seem to agree that entirely cosmetic changes, e.g. pure whitespace changes, are not copyrightable. Some set the bar for copyrightable much higher.
Further, some projects which have gone through relicensing claim there is a threshold above which relicensing can be done without the rest of the developers agreeing:
Relicensing plan
The actual relicensing will be done as follows:
--enable-preliminary-lgpl3
configure option (done)--enable-lgpl
and updating the main copyright notice (done)More information
Other arguments pro-LGPL: https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/issues/2033#issuecomment-249429195 https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/issues/2033#issuecomment-249426616
MPlayer developers status: https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/issues/2033#issuecomment-249416217
MPlayer thread: http://lists-archives.com/mplayer-dev-eng/39326-relicensing-mplayer-or-parts-of-it-to-lgpl.html
VLC LGPL switch reasons & FAQ (yes, they mostly apply to us too): https://www.videolan.org/press/lgpl.html
VLC reasons against GPLv3 (also mostly applies to us): http://www.videolan.org/press/2007-1.html