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[MSB Mammal specimens 59340] Sorex palustris - georeferance wrong #34

Open jmalaney opened 8 years ago

jmalaney commented 8 years ago

using geolocate I get 35.831062 -106.411741 but should probably be 35.852492 -106.41217 email me with any questions jmalaney@gmail.com

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Term Value
Modified 2012-11-20 12:55:46.0
Language en
AccessRights http://www.vertnet.org/resources/norms.html
References http://arctos.database.museum/guid/MSB:Mamm:59340
InstitutionID urn:lsid:biocol.org:col:34495
InstitutionCode MSB
CollectionCode Mammal specimens
BasisOfRecord PreservedSpecimen
DynamicProperties sex: female
OccurrenceID http://arctos.database.museum/guid/MSB:Mamm:59340?seid=474483
CatalogNumber 59340
RecordedBy Collector(s): C. L. Thompson
IndividualCount 1
Sex female
EstablishmentMeans wild caught
Preparations skin; skull; postcranial skeleton
OtherCatalogNumbers preparator number=42
EventDate 1986-07-24
EndDayOfYear 205
Year 1986
Month 07
Day 24
VerbatimEventDate 24-Jul-1986
HigherGeography North America, United States, New Mexico, Sandoval County
Continent North America
Country United States
StateProvince New Mexico
County Sandoval County
Locality UPPER DRAINAGE OF EAST FORK RITO DE LOS FRIJOLES, ; 35.51.25 N., 106.24.48 W.
VerbatimLocality UPPER DRAINAGE OF EAST FORK RITO DE LOS FRIJOLES, ; 35.51.25 N., 106.24.48 W.
LocationAccordingTo C. L. Thompson
VerbatimCoordinates 35.5125018/-106.2447967
VerbatimCoordinateSystem decimal degrees
DecimalLatitude 35.5125018
DecimalLongitude -106.2447967
GeodeticDatum North American Datum 1927
CoordinateUncertaintyInMeters 6823.61856
GeoreferencedBy C. L. Thompson
GeoreferencedDate 1986-07-24 00:00:00.0
GeoreferenceProtocol not recorded
GeoreferenceSources unknown
GeoreferenceVerificationStatus unverified
IdentifiedBy unknown
DateIdentified 2005-02-15
IdentificationVerificationStatus legacy
IdentificationQualifier A
ScientificName Sorex palustris
HigherClassification Animalia Chordata Mammalia Soricomorpha Soricidae Richardson, 1828
Phylum Chordata
Class Mammalia
Order Soricomorpha
Family Soricidae
Genus Sorex
SpecificEpithet palustris
NomenclaturalCode ICZN
tucotuco commented 8 years ago

If you go by the coordinates as given in the verbatim locality, it should be

35.8569444, -106.4133333 with a 40m uncertainty in NAD27

How did you get those alternative coordinates? With what justification?

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 4:54 PM, Jason Malaney notifications@github.com wrote:

using geolocate I get 35.831062 -106.411741 but should probably be 35.852492 -106.41217 email me with any questions jmalaney@gmail.com

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You can view the original detail page http://portal.vertnet.org/o/msb/mammal-specimens?id=59340 on VertNet. Here are the original record contents: Term Value Modified 2012-11-20 12:55:46.0 Language en AccessRights http://www.vertnet.org/resources/norms.html References http://arctos.database.museum/guid/MSB:Mamm:59340 InstitutionID urn:lsid:biocol.org:col:34495 InstitutionCode MSB CollectionCode Mammal specimens BasisOfRecord PreservedSpecimen DynamicProperties sex: female OccurrenceID http://arctos.database.museum/guid/MSB:Mamm:59340?seid=474483 CatalogNumber 59340 RecordedBy Collector(s): C. L. Thompson IndividualCount 1 Sex female EstablishmentMeans wild caught Preparations skin; skull; postcranial skeleton OtherCatalogNumbers preparator number=42 EventDate 1986-07-24 EndDayOfYear 205 Year 1986 Month 07 Day 24 VerbatimEventDate 24-Jul-1986 HigherGeography North America, United States, New Mexico, Sandoval County Continent North America Country United States StateProvince New Mexico County Sandoval County Locality UPPER DRAINAGE OF EAST FORK RITO DE LOS FRIJOLES, ; 35.51.25 N., 106.24.48 W. VerbatimLocality UPPER DRAINAGE OF EAST FORK RITO DE LOS FRIJOLES, ; 35.51.25 N., 106.24.48 W. LocationAccordingTo C. L. Thompson VerbatimCoordinates 35.5125018/-106.2447967 VerbatimCoordinateSystem decimal degrees DecimalLatitude 35.5125018 DecimalLongitude -106.2447967 GeodeticDatum North American Datum 1927 CoordinateUncertaintyInMeters 6823.61856 GeoreferencedBy C. L. Thompson GeoreferencedDate 1986-07-24 00:00:00.0 GeoreferenceProtocol not recorded GeoreferenceSources unknown GeoreferenceVerificationStatus unverified IdentifiedBy unknown DateIdentified 2005-02-15 IdentificationVerificationStatus legacy IdentificationQualifier A ScientificName Sorex palustris HigherClassification Animalia Chordata Mammalia Soricomorpha Soricidae Richardson, 1828 Phylum Chordata Class Mammalia Order Soricomorpha Family Soricidae Genus Sorex SpecificEpithet palustris NomenclaturalCode ICZN

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jmalaney commented 8 years ago

Hi John,

Thanks for taking a look at this. I realize those coordinates are in the locality string, which is about where I converted them to as well. Regardless, I am a bit suspicious of those coordinates because I doubt C. L. Thompson was using a GPS unit in 1986 unless he had some special government hardware. Regardless, if you look at the "verbatim coordinates" reported and plotted, they are clearly wrong at 35.5125018 / -106.2447967; http://arctos.database.museum/guid/MSB:Mamm:59340?seid=474483; hence my suggestion to edit.

Cheers, Jason

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:36 AM, John Wieczorek notifications@github.com wrote:

If you go by the coordinates as given in the verbatim locality, it should be

35.8569444, -106.4133333 with a 40m uncertainty in NAD27

How did you get those alternative coordinates? With what justification?

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 4:54 PM, Jason Malaney notifications@github.com wrote:

using geolocate I get 35.831062 -106.411741 but should probably be 35.852492 -106.41217 email me with any questions jmalaney@gmail.com

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You can view the original detail page http://portal.vertnet.org/o/msb/mammal-specimens?id=59340 on VertNet. Here are the original record contents: Term Value Modified 2012-11-20 12:55:46.0 Language en AccessRights http://www.vertnet.org/resources/norms.html References http://arctos.database.museum/guid/MSB:Mamm:59340 InstitutionID urn:lsid:biocol.org:col:34495 InstitutionCode MSB CollectionCode Mammal specimens BasisOfRecord PreservedSpecimen DynamicProperties sex: female OccurrenceID http://arctos.database.museum/guid/MSB:Mamm:59340?seid=474483 CatalogNumber 59340 RecordedBy Collector(s): C. L. Thompson IndividualCount 1 Sex female EstablishmentMeans wild caught Preparations skin; skull; postcranial skeleton OtherCatalogNumbers preparator number=42 EventDate 1986-07-24 EndDayOfYear 205 Year 1986 Month 07 Day 24 VerbatimEventDate 24-Jul-1986 HigherGeography North America, United States, New Mexico, Sandoval County Continent North America Country United States StateProvince New Mexico County Sandoval County Locality UPPER DRAINAGE OF EAST FORK RITO DE LOS FRIJOLES, ; 35.51.25 N., 106.24.48 W. VerbatimLocality UPPER DRAINAGE OF EAST FORK RITO DE LOS FRIJOLES, ; 35.51.25 N., 106.24.48 W. LocationAccordingTo C. L. Thompson VerbatimCoordinates 35.5125018/-106.2447967 VerbatimCoordinateSystem decimal degrees DecimalLatitude 35.5125018 DecimalLongitude -106.2447967 GeodeticDatum North American Datum 1927 CoordinateUncertaintyInMeters 6823.61856 GeoreferencedBy C. L. Thompson GeoreferencedDate 1986-07-24 00:00:00.0 GeoreferenceProtocol not recorded GeoreferenceSources unknown GeoreferenceVerificationStatus unverified IdentifiedBy unknown DateIdentified 2005-02-15 IdentificationVerificationStatus legacy IdentificationQualifier A ScientificName Sorex palustris HigherClassification Animalia Chordata Mammalia Soricomorpha Soricidae Richardson, 1828 Phylum Chordata Class Mammalia Order Soricomorpha Family Soricidae Genus Sorex SpecificEpithet palustris NomenclaturalCode ICZN

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jmalaney commented 8 years ago

Hi John,

I have separate question about how the "submit issue" flag operates on VertNet. I realize VertNet uses GitHub, but I assumed any issues flagged would get forwarded on to the collections manager/curator of the relevant collection to assess and change as deemed appropriate.

Is that not the case?

Thanks, Jason

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:15 PM, J Malaney jmalaney@gmail.com wrote:

Hi John,

Thanks for taking a look at this. I realize those coordinates are in the locality string, which is about where I converted them to as well. Regardless, I am a bit suspicious of those coordinates because I doubt C. L. Thompson was using a GPS unit in 1986 unless he had some special government hardware. Regardless, if you look at the "verbatim coordinates" reported and plotted, they are clearly wrong at 35.5125018 / -106.2447967; http://arctos.database.museum/guid/MSB:Mamm:59340?seid=474483; hence my suggestion to edit.

Cheers, Jason

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:36 AM, John Wieczorek notifications@github.com wrote:

If you go by the coordinates as given in the verbatim locality, it should be

35.8569444, -106.4133333 with a 40m uncertainty in NAD27

How did you get those alternative coordinates? With what justification?

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 4:54 PM, Jason Malaney notifications@github.com wrote:

using geolocate I get 35.831062 -106.411741 but should probably be 35.852492 -106.41217 email me with any questions jmalaney@gmail.com

.....................................................

You can view the original detail page http://portal.vertnet.org/o/msb/mammal-specimens?id=59340 on VertNet. Here are the original record contents: Term Value Modified 2012-11-20 12:55:46.0 Language en AccessRights http://www.vertnet.org/resources/norms.html References http://arctos.database.museum/guid/MSB:Mamm:59340 InstitutionID urn:lsid:biocol.org:col:34495 InstitutionCode MSB CollectionCode Mammal specimens BasisOfRecord PreservedSpecimen DynamicProperties sex: female OccurrenceID http://arctos.database.museum/guid/MSB:Mamm:59340?seid=474483 CatalogNumber 59340 RecordedBy Collector(s): C. L. Thompson IndividualCount 1 Sex female EstablishmentMeans wild caught Preparations skin; skull; postcranial skeleton OtherCatalogNumbers preparator number=42 EventDate 1986-07-24 EndDayOfYear 205 Year 1986 Month 07 Day 24 VerbatimEventDate 24-Jul-1986 HigherGeography North America, United States, New Mexico, Sandoval County Continent North America Country United States StateProvince New Mexico County Sandoval County Locality UPPER DRAINAGE OF EAST FORK RITO DE LOS FRIJOLES, ; 35.51.25 N., 106.24.48 W. VerbatimLocality UPPER DRAINAGE OF EAST FORK RITO DE LOS FRIJOLES, ; 35.51.25 N., 106.24.48 W. LocationAccordingTo C. L. Thompson VerbatimCoordinates 35.5125018/-106.2447967 VerbatimCoordinateSystem decimal degrees DecimalLatitude 35.5125018 DecimalLongitude -106.2447967 GeodeticDatum North American Datum 1927 CoordinateUncertaintyInMeters 6823.61856 GeoreferencedBy C. L. Thompson GeoreferencedDate 1986-07-24 00:00:00.0 GeoreferenceProtocol not recorded GeoreferenceSources unknown GeoreferenceVerificationStatus unverified IdentifiedBy unknown DateIdentified 2005-02-15 IdentificationVerificationStatus legacy IdentificationQualifier A ScientificName Sorex palustris HigherClassification Animalia Chordata Mammalia Soricomorpha Soricidae Richardson, 1828 Phylum Chordata Class Mammalia Order Soricomorpha Family Soricidae Genus Sorex SpecificEpithet palustris NomenclaturalCode ICZN

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dbloom commented 8 years ago

Forwarding happens only if a curator or other staff member is registered with a GitHub username and we have added them to their respective organization. Once that happens, assuming they set their Watch status correctly, they will receive notifications from GitHub when issues are posted. So far, nobody from MSB has responded to our requests to join the organization over the last couple of years. This is an unfortunate down-side to the system we've set up here because we cannot sign people up without their permission, so they have to do it themselves. We do, however, attempt to let collections know when issues have been posted and when there is no representative associated with the GitHub organization. Some times that results in registrations, some times it does not.