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Niente symbol in MS4...a little too small? #18838

Open ghost opened 1 year ago

ghost commented 1 year ago

Your idea

I think the niente symbol in MS4 is just one or two pt. sizes too small?...idk. A little hard to see the inside of the n and make out it's shape and letter on first glance. I think it was a little bigger in MS3? Just my thoughts. I am aware of the text "Al niente" being used in my score books, but because it's just has so many words I think it can withstand a smaller font size and still be read, unlike a very small "n" symbol. I mean, muscians will know it is an niente symbol, but I guess I just like seeing it's full shape more clearly and stately. I just wanted to mention my observations. See attached score or link below. Thank you.

https://musescore.com/user/44071886/scores/11590849

Problem to be solved

Make scores easier to read.

Prior art

363844691_239368232257632_2088789848414518110_n

Additional context

The_Kiss by Daniel Parker (Original Engraving File MS42023).zip

MarcSabatella commented 1 year ago

Probably more useful is a direct comparison of this character to other dynamic symbols from the same font at the same point size. Here's a shot showing the "n" compared to "p" using all defaults:

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The "loop" of the "p" extends below the baseline I guess, make it seem a little bigger than it otherwise would at its point size. It also has a thicker downstroke. Could be by design, but does seem interesting.

mmeyn commented 1 year ago

The "loop" of the "p" extends below the baseline I guess, make it seem a little bigger than it otherwise would at its point size. It also has a thicker downstroke. Could be by design, but does seem interesting.

The loop extending below the baseline is by design, that’s how rounded letters are done in most fonts. But I think the upper end of n and p should be at the same height because both are rounded there.

Probably more useful is a direct comparison of this character to other dynamic symbols from the same font at the same point size.

Compare m, n, and r, they are very similar. While n doesn’t combine with other letters you can see the contrast to the “heavier” letters p and f in real-world combinations like rfz or mp. I’d say that there are two groups of heaviness: s/f/p/z are heavier than r/m/n.

AFAIK it’s common to have heavier f and p and lighter combining letters s/z/r/m, see f. e. Emmentaler and Bravura. But I don’t think this should result in different x height, instead the stroke width should be different.