scorster
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9 months ago 20th Century Fox aside ... I believe OP has correctly stated that an Acciaccatura grace note should sound prior to its main note. Said differently, an Acciaccatura does not displace the onset of the main note it ornaments. Indeed, that's my strong preference ... though I've never found a way to instruct MuseScore 3 to time Acciaccaturas in this manner. (I just tested in MS4 and the result is far more reasonable, and to examine more closely I exported to MIDI in Logic Pro X but MIDI import results in something like a "reverse appogiatura".)
Back to the crux now ...
Most discussions translate Acciaccatura as meaning "crushed," underscoring its brevity, but those discussions often omit an opinion on:
a) if the Acciaccatura should sound before the onset of the main note
b) if the Acciaccatura should take duration from the onset of the main note. As stated by OP, "at the expense of" the main note.
I've used notation apps that offer both options. And it's clear that there are differing opinions and styles. So I'd like to see some Acciaccatura properties in MuseScore:
a) a toggle between Precedes the main note vs. Takes time from the start of the main note
b) a setting that governs the duration of the Acciaccatura grace note: a fixed amount or a percentage of a beat.
Then cowboys and shepherds can sing in peaceful harmony around the camp fire.
In Irish music the Acciaccatura grace note symbolizes the colloquial cut which is clearly played before the main note. As mentioned, I can't direct MuseScore to accomplish this. As heard in a score I created the Acciaccatura grace note and it's main note sound like two 32nd notes! A reasonable Irish ornament in its own right, that's for sure, but definitely not a cut.
scorster
Issue type
General playback bug
Bug description
I understand that someone might disagree with me. But let's talk about a specific example. I have a score called "20th Century Fox Fanfare". At the beginning of the drum part, there are accaccatures. And in Musescore, they sound at the expense of the note to which they are attached. I don't think there's a single person who hasn't watched Fox movies and heard those fanfare at the very beginning of the movie. Agree that these accaccatures sound there in the pick-up. Yes, music theory does not deny that accaccatures can sound at the expense of the main note. But, basically, all the accaccatures sound in the pick-up. And the sound changes immediately! And here's what I suggest: make the sound of the accaccatures in pick-up (as shown in the screenshot), and if the user wants the accaccatures to sound at the expense of the note to which these accaccatures are attached, then in this case it is necessary to create a separate type of accaccatures in the "Grace notes" palette, which will be sound at the expense of the note to which they are attached (as shown in the screenshot).
Screenshots/Screen recordings
Here is another example confirming that the sound of a grace notes due to the duration of the next note is ugly.
https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/assets/134041121/630ce16e-f468-4df7-9f0b-2282485ed63b
Timpani (Muse Sounds):
https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/assets/134041121/0745dbd4-342e-4990-84e6-61fa443bc6ac
Workarounds
I gave an example using an arpeggiated chord, but this is a similar case. An acciaccaturas can be added as a grace note after the previous note, but at the same time the interval in the beat is unreasonably increased, even though the grace notes are hidden.
It is worth noting here that this workaround does not work if there is a rest before the note.
MuseScore Version
MuseScore version (64-bit): 4.1.1-232071203, revision: github-musescore-musescore-e4d1ddf
Regression
No.
Operating system
Windows 11
Additional context
No response