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"Add Note to Chord" action should add ties where suited #21078

Open XiaoMigros opened 9 months ago

XiaoMigros commented 9 months ago

Your idea

When using the "Add Note to Chord" action (or Shift + A-G) a single note is added to a tied chord: image

This is inconsistent with the behaviors for the "Add interval" actions, as well as adding the note by clicking with the mouse: image

Problem to be solved

The inconsistency between ways of adding notes. Plus, adding tied notes automatically is more convenient in almost all cases.

Prior art

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SteveBlower commented 9 months ago

Is this really the desired behaviour?

Surely it is at least as common to want to add different notes to the chords e.g. to notate a resolving suspension. Why would you have two identically pitched chords tied together when you can simply enter a single chord of the desired duration? - a half note chord in your example. If your suggestion would be implemented then adding different notes would require the user to delete the unwanted tied-to note before entering the one they really wanted.

I suggest you should take this to the discussions area on Github or to the musescore.org forum to get a wider user base to examine the pros and cons of your suggestion.

XiaoMigros commented 9 months ago

Is this really the desired behaviour?

Yes

Why would you have two identically pitched chords tied together when you can simply enter a single chord of the desired duration?

Ties exist for a reason? Besides writing rhythms correctly, most durations can't be written without them.

If your suggestion would be implemented then adding different notes would require the user to delete the unwanted tied-to note before entering the one they really wanted.

That is currently the case for all other means of adding notes.

DaddyLudwig commented 9 months ago

Surely it is at least as common to want to add different notes to the chords e.g. to notate a resolving suspension.

In my case where I'm transcribing a bunch of Mozart, Beethoven, etc. that's more common for me to want some notes tied, but the top note slurred as it resolves. Adding the top note of the first chord only to have it tied when that's not what I want seems clunky.

With said behaviour, I have to do this:

  1. Insert bottom note
  2. Add notes that are tied in both chords
  3. Tie
  4. Add top note of second chord
  5. Add top note of first chord
  6. Delete the uppermost tied note in the second chord since the top note of the first chord isn't tied in the sheet music
  7. Add slur to top notes

And that just seems clunky to me.

lgvr123 commented 8 months ago

I agree with this request. Today, adding chords that span over a measure bar is painful: tiedNoteAndChords

MarcSabatella commented 8 months ago

I'm confused, why are you waiting until after adding the tie to build the chord? If you do it the other way around - first build chord, then add the tie - it works nicely.

lgvr123 commented 8 months ago

why are you waiting until after adding the tie to build the chord?

I'm not waiting... If you follow the keystrokes, I'm simply adding half notes. It occurs that adding an half note on the third beat of 3/4 measure produces two tied quarter notes. But technically I'm simply adding half notes. I'm never adding any tie.

MarcSabatella commented 8 months ago

Exactly my point,. The normal way to add ties is to first add the initial (quarter note) chord, then press "T". Same way you'd add ties that don't span across a bar.

In any case, that's more a "how to use MuseScore" discussion, so if you have further questions, please ask on the official Supprot forum at musescore.org