"1" above the one-measure rest in parts

[Dima-S-Jr]

My idea

I suggest adding the ability for users to mark one-measure rests with the number "1" in instrumental parts.

Problem to be solved

This will allow the performer to be sure that the rest is not multi-measure and that nothing was missed. At the moment, in MuseScore Studio, the number "1" can only be specified manually, while aligning it in the center above the bar.

If you try to specify a minimum value of "1" for multi-measure rests in the style settings, this will not be displayed correctly.

Additional context

The number "1" should not be specified if the bar is G.P. or there is a cue in it (but see #23912)

Checklist

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[SteveBlower]

You can get the appearance in your first picture if you enable "Old-style multimeasure rests" (multibar in GB English)

[Edit] Actually, no you can't get that appearance which is "half and half"; 1 measure rest in old style but >1 measure in "new" style.

But would you really want such a mix of styles? I guess if you do, the feature request would be to allow styling of individual multi-measure rests. Seems a bit niche though.

[Edit 2] Yes, you can get the appearance in your first picture if you set the maximum number of measures [bars] to 1.

[rpatters1]

I am using the latest dev build, and this seems to be resolved with following settings:

In answer to @SteveBlower, you absolutely would want to do this. Nice-to-haves would be

• the ability of a single bar "multimeasure" rest to be the same width as an empty bar.
• automatically suppress the printing of a multimeasure rest range under a single-bar multimeasure rest, and instead display the measure number normally (if it would be displayed otherwise).

FWIW: I accomplished all of this for Finale with a plugin, but it did require running the plugin to set up the mm rests.

[rpatters1]

P.S. I would be happy to work on the last two bullet points, if they are desirable. Otherwise I wonder if there is any reason to keep this issue open.

[SteveBlower]

I would say there is no need. The desired behaviour described in the original post can be achieved already with the right combination of style settings.

[rpatters1]

If you are referring to my bullet points, I very much have need of them myself. Or else I wouldn't have mentioned them. :) But before working on them, I'd like some indication of whether the changes might be accepted.

[SteveBlower]

Sorry, I was referring to the original post, not your bullet points. Perhaps a new issue for them to avoid further confusion?

[Dima-S-Jr]

@SteveBlower, @rpatters1, it makes sense to keep this issue open, because the style settings you mentioned above, which allow you to achieve the look I outlined in my issue, are nothing more than a workaround. The number "1" should be used not only in the old style. Therefore, first of all, I focus on ensuring that this behavior is by default, and the user does not have to resort to the workarounds mentioned above.

[rpatters1]

I don't see it as a workaround. Is it that you don't want to have to check "Old Style"? It literally is the old style. Contemporary style is not to show a 1 at all but just an empty measure.

[Dima-S-Jr]

I don't see it as a workaround. Is it that you don't want to have to check "Old Style"? It literally is the old style. Contemporary style is not to show a 1 at all but just an empty measure.

The number "1" is used in the contemporary style, as well as in the old one. The reasons why the number "1" should be used (regardless of whether the style is old or contemporary) I also outlined in the issue. I suggest continuing the discussion on the forum or in the Discord, because this is not the most suitable place for this.

[FrancRos31]

I am using the latest dev build, and this seems to be resolved with following settings:

It works also in version 4.4.2 (OS: Windows 10 Version 2009 or later, Arch.: x86_64, MuseScore Studio version (64-bit): 4.4.2-242570931, revision: github-musescore-musescore-3130f97).

[SteveBlower]

The style settings to get that look are already available. Is it just the wording in the dialogue that @Dima-S-Jr is concerned about? "The number "1" is used in the contemporary style, as well as in the old one"

Perhaps the label on that tick box could be changed, How about "Traditional grouping"? Or, how about reversing the logic and having a tick for "Use centred beam style" and having a minimum number of rests before that kicks in rather than a maximum before "traditional" rests kicks out?

[rpatters1]

Personally, I think the dialog is very clear how to use as-is. I'm cool with it if someone decides to implement a feature that prevents a "1" over a mmrest shape, substituting a whole rest instead. But I don't see a need to change the dialog. Any change will make it less clear, in my opinion.

(I admit my opinion may be colored by coming from Finale, where the options are quite similar.)