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Improve outcomes arising from our reporting of of data breaches by public bodies to the ICO #1128

Closed RichardTaylor closed 5 days ago

RichardTaylor commented 2 years ago

Currently we put significant effort into making reports, including administration relating to:

Typically we get no substantive response from the ICO, and often the ICO appear confused by our position as a third party making a report.

We have already improved our reporting templates to try to pre-empt potential misunderstandings, this has led to the current text:

We would like to stress to the Information Commissioner that we are a third party raising a concern here. We are not seeking to report a data breach on behalf of a public body. We are providing information about a breach to assist the Commissioner in their role. We have no relationship with those whose personal data is involved, and are not in a position to contact them en-masse. While we have alerted the public body to what has happened we have not asked them to treat our correspondence as a complaint, and we wouldn't expect them to treat it as such.

Possible actions:

RichardTaylor commented 2 years ago

cc @ajparsons

ajparsons commented 2 years ago

Have taken note of last point as something to bring up with ICO.

RichardTaylor commented 2 years ago

Consider making complaint to ICO in relation to their handling of GDPR/BR/20220213-1

FOIMonkey commented 2 years ago

We should complain to the ICO about their handling of GDPR/BR/20220605-1. This was a serious incident, and it was clear from their response, treating it as a complaint by an affected data subject, that they did not read the correspondence. They have not yet responded substantively to our challenge to that approach.

garethrees commented 2 years ago

I don't think this thread should be about individual cases. While it may be useful to reference specific examples as "classes of problem" we have, I don't think this issue is the place for pushing forward action on any individual case. It's more about what larger picture to build over a longer timespan to demonstrate that there is a systemic issue.

FOIMonkey commented 2 years ago

The reason for referencing the individual case, was that it is very representative of the systemic issue eg ICO being slow to respond, misunderstanding correspondence, appearing to communicate with us via the public authority etc. An individual service complaint, with all the other evidence to back it up, could be more effective than a general concern letter

There is a limited time period in which they will accept complaints on any particular issue. In pausing to collate yet more data, we will lose the chance to pursue some of these cases, so it is something I think we need to be aware of.

RichardTaylor commented 2 years ago

We should complain to the ICO about their handling of GDPR/BR/20220605-1.

We have twice asked the ICO to reconsider their response. Under the ICO complaints policy we'd expect our first concern to be acknowledged at the latest by today, as they promise to acknowledge complaints within 14 calendar days. I'll add a scheduled message to chase, citing the complaints policy, tomorrow.

garethrees commented 2 years ago

The next transparency report would be a good vehicle for this (https://github.com/mysociety/whatdotheyknow-theme/issues/1170).

FOIMonkey commented 2 years ago

Noting here that on 22 September, in response to the complaint, the ICO said they would be reviewing how they have handled these types of cases and they acknowledged that their "handling of these matters has not been consistent." It might be interesting to look at whether things have got any better since then.

RichardTaylor commented 2 years ago

Noting here that on 22 September, in response to the complaint, the ICO said they would be reviewing how they have handled these types of cases

If the WhatDoTheyKnow team were permitted to use WhatDoTheyKnow then a FOI request in public might be one way to follow-up on this and find out what, if anything, has changed. This could be seen as too pushy and antagonistic though. Ideally the ICO's policies would be proactively published so we could see any changes without having to ask.

garethrees commented 2 years ago

Linking to https://github.com/mysociety/whatdotheyknow-theme/issues/1243#issuecomment-1207226533.

RichardTaylor commented 2 years ago

As of 1 November 2022 we received a typical standard response stating just:

Thank you for your concerns regarding [body name]. The issues that you have raised have been logged. Please be aware that it is unlikely you will hear anything further from us regarding this. However, if you have any additional information or evidence regarding this matter, please do provide it to us using this case reference.

Any action we take against organisations is published on our website.

The ICO did not engage with the detail of our report at all, we explained we were holding the released data for four-weeks in-case they required it to inform their investigation, and invited them to propose a secure means of encrypted transmission if they did want it.

RichardTaylor commented 1 year ago

The ICO have tweeted reporting the Information Commissioner has announced "new plans for our data breach reporting system." Stating: "This will allow us to better support both organisations and potential vulnerable victims of data breaches."

One change mentioned in the accompanying image is the classification of reports to enable determination of if vulnerable people are affected.

https://twitter.com/ICOnews/status/1633414390744600576?s=20

I don't know if details of the new plans are available.

HelenWDTK commented 5 days ago

The tracking that we have done on this has of limited use. Things have moved on following post-PSNI work so I am closing this as stale.