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Beta 1.8 devs are anachronistic and are a clash between different versions #149

Open BlueStaggo opened 1 year ago

BlueStaggo commented 1 year ago

I have a feeling that there are noteworthy versions of Beta 1.8 from before the world generation overhaul. In the first ever image of a stronghold shown by Jeb in July 1st 2011, leaves lack ambient occlusion and biome coloring seems to be just like how it was before Beta 1.8. There is another image Jeb posted of the first ever image of a village church (uncompresed image taken from this old French website), dated somewhere in the middle of August 2011, where leaves have ambient occlusion but beta style beaches are present, and if you look very closely, there may be a hint of beta style biome coloring: image It could just be Jeb adding villages into Beta 1.7 instead of Beta 1.8, but that doesn't explain the ambient occlusion on the leaves and the glass panes on the church, unless Jeb was adding on to a very early developer build of Beta 1.8 from before world generation was drastically changed while Notch worked on the version that had those changes (evidence from August 18th 2011 (by the way, the grass looks drier here than in the dev 2-4 recreations)). As well as this, the new world generation system shown in the river test did not have any beta style beaches, so it is likely that this first ever image of a village was also taken from a build before gen layers. My point is that there could have been interesting developer versions of Beta 1.8 that did not have the gen layer system in place yet but had all of the new blocks (like the strongholds having stone bricks and the village church having glass panes). Unfortunately, what was in the Beta 1.8 developer versions is mostly speculation, especially the pre-PAX Prime builds, but the recreations are based a lot on speculation, so why don't we pretend that such a version exists?

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nasko222 commented 1 year ago

Mostly because the b1.8 gen code is absurdly hard to code........ I wish I could make them better

BlueStaggo commented 1 year ago
Here is the chronological order of Beta 1.8's development: Date (2011) Event
May 31st Beta 1.6.6 is released.
June 11th New lighting engine and experience orbs showcased by Notch. "Oh, it's #screenshotsaturday ? Well, ok!" [1]
June 22nd Ravines are shown for the first time and the lighting engine has been finalized. "Oh sh*t. Looks like I'll be doing more exploring after 1.7" [2]
June 30th Beta 1.7 & Beta 1.7_01 are released.
July 1st Beta 1.7.2 is released.
July 1st Villages, strongholds and huge mushrooms are shown for the first time. [3] [4]
July 5th Creative mode has been worked on by this point, based on the modification date of the gui image for the inventory. [5]
July 8th Beta 1.7.3 is released.
≤ July 19th? World generation overhaul begins, as shown by Dinnerbone when talking about the first ever panorama. This image also contains an untextured experience bar. Somewhat equivalent to the current dev 1 recreation, but the terrain generation here looks like pure Perlin noise, although there is a deep ocean to the right of the image. This could have just been a test and not the gen layer system seen in the final release. "It turns out that was an even earlier panorama, and the one in this post came later. The first one was never released, though." [6]
July 19th Hunger shown for the first time + a textured experience bar. Notch also tests extending the world height. Equivalent to the current dev 5 recreation. "Yeah, the level generator isn't exactly tweaked for 512 height." [7]
July 19th Jeb mentions that he added 5 new food items. "@Andrew0085 Hehe sorry... I've added 5 new food items! =)" [8]
July 26th Endermen are shown for the first time with small white eyes. [9]
July 26th Notch mentions knockback in a Twitter / 𝕏 post: "Hitting a mob while rushing now sends them flying. It's satisfying, and I'm giggling a bit." [10]
August 2nd Endermen are shown for a second time, alongside one of Notch's villages. [11]
August 12th Jeb showcases new village churches. "Minecraft village teasing teaser" [12]
August 16th Jeb showcases new food types + stackable food. Hunger and experience is visible above the hotbar. [13]
August 18th Notch reveals rivers and the old extreme hills biome in "River test with forced high height contrast" (just like in the current recreations of devs 2-4). At this stage of development, snow can still generate, likely above a certain height. [14]
August 18th Notch showcases a biome map with three large land biomes, rivers and oceans. [15]
August 26th Beta 1.8 is showcased at PAX Prime. Equivalent to the current dev 10 recreation.
September 3nd Swamplands have been added as we know them from the final release. Previously, there may have been a placeholder biome that had the same height values but different climate and no trees or tall grass. "Swamp biome, CREATE" [16] [17]
September 9th Beta 1.8 Pre-release is released, with the final build released 5 days later.

I did have a theory that two branches of Beta 1.8 were being worked on, with one testing out the new world generation. This is mostly speculation though, as after laying out this timeline, I realised that Notch may have finished work on the gen layer based world generation rather quickly, as the screenshots a week before PAX Prime look significantly different. However, hunger and experience seems to have been properly implemented in Jeb's build before the river test, yet the prototype panorama image had changed the world generation drastically but had an untextured experience bar and had no hunger. It could have just been a little bit of messing around before work on the gen layer system truly began.

In addition, I would like to mention that mobs in the dev builds of Beta 1.8 spilled out a lot of experience (10 xp to be exact) and the experience bar had the text "Skill points" on it alongside 3x the player's experience level.

minecraft12y commented 1 year ago

Quick correction, the jeb village image is from august 12: https://twitter.com/jeb_/status/101919683153903616

I do agree with you, I think it's more probable that the biome coloring was kept the same until the river test, though there could have still been multiple branches.

BlueStaggo commented 1 year ago

Update: I went browsing around the Minecraft Wiki and discovered some more Beta 1.8 developer info. Turns out that during development, biomes were quite a bit larger! That French website helped me out again and I deduced this to be from some time around the "River test with forced high height contrast" (edit: it was on the same day!). There are only three biomes shown here, with jeuxonline assuming it is plains, forest and desert biomes based on the color. However, with the knowledge of the river test image, I believe that the orange biome could be those tall mountains due to both deserts and that image having dry grass. Like the blog said, the dark green could be forest and the bright green could be plains. There is also a bright blue biome dotted around the coast, which I assume is a shallow ocean biome, as well as a dark blue biome that must be a deep ocean biome (hence the name of the Minecraft Wiki file name: Deep Oceans overview). If anyone could find the original Twitter 𝕏 post, that would be helpful.

image Source: Minecraft Wiki

minecraft12y commented 1 year ago

https://twitter.com/notch/status/104255190806433794 Here's the original twitter...er, 𝕏 post. It was posted on the exact same day as the river test.

BlueStaggo commented 1 year ago

@minecraft12y do you happen to know of any more 𝕏 posts around this stage of Beta 1.8's development?

minecraft12y commented 1 year ago

I can't seem to find any other posts around this dev period (around the river test) outside of an image of new food (https://twitter.com/jeb_/status/103408168356421632) posted 2 days before the river test image. I'll look more to see if I can find anything else though.

BlueStaggo commented 1 year ago

I can't seem to find any other posts around this dev period (around the river test) outside of an image of new food (https://twitter.com/jeb_/status/103408168356421632) posted 2 days before the river test image. I'll look more to see if I can find anything else though.

Wow! Very helpful! This shows that Notch may have worked on the terrain generation at a rapid rate. The only thing I need now is when that prototype panorama screenshot was taken. That one screenshot shared by Dinnerbone is really crucial to understanding Beta 1.8's development. If we could somehow contact him directly, we could possibly figure out when this screenshot was taken and make proper sense of Beta 1.8's development. One theory I have about this early panorama image is that it was taken from very early on in Beta 1.8's development (so early on that it was called Beta 1.7), as signified by the pistons in the hotbar, from a time before Beta 1.7 was released with only a few of the features from Beta 1.8, mainly pistons. I wish I could directly get an answer from Dinnerbone!

BlueStaggo commented 1 year ago

Here is a list of the devs that wll be recreated:

Making the Beta 1.8 versions as accurate looks like it would take a lot of work. I am happy to help with remaking these versions if these accurate devs ever get worked on.

nasko222 commented 1 year ago

keep in mind that the first few b1.8 devs actually should use b1.7.2 base, also yeah i'd appreciate help especially with the structures cuz these are pain to code

minecraft12y commented 1 year ago

Creative mode MAY have been implemented in an earlier build, as notch posted this: https://twitter.com/notch/status/84361767962161152 on june 24. The missing letter to the link ended up being E, and so the imgur link was https://imgur.com/IKc7E, which led to a picture of a player flying with particles at their feet. Notch was also talking about different gamemodes around this time (https://twitter.com/notch/status/85802201267707904), so it's reasonable to assume creative mode had been implemented by this point, before Beta 1.7 was released.

nasko222 commented 1 year ago

what about the coding of notch builds

davidlas commented 1 year ago

I don't know, but the Deep Ocean wasn't a thing officially until 13w36a; but I'm assuming you already know this. I want playing the game at this time. I could have been a biome we'll never truly know about, but I could be wrong.

davidlas commented 1 year ago

Will you be making the massive villages from Jeb on his Sep. 27th post?

nasko222 commented 1 year ago

meh, idk maybe, right now im not making anything because i am on a long vacation for few months

nasko222 commented 1 year ago

minecraft12y commented last month In the PAX build, the fence gate in the inventory has a flat wood texture, as seen here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_jJJTROkJ0&t=91s. As such, the inventory icon for the fence gate, most likely for all builds that include them, should be a flat wood texture.

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It also had no name as seen in this frame

BlueStaggo commented 1 year ago

I found an official video with that really flat biome seen in the PAX Prime build: https://youtu.be/cPWyGGA0mLk Judging by the upload date of this videos, swamps as we know them from the final release must have been added after September 2nd 2011, since this biome seems to have the same height values.

minecraft12y commented 1 year ago

I've also found this tweet: https://twitter.com/notch/status/110053393850040320, that shows the swamps on September 3rd, so that's when they were added.

BlueStaggo commented 1 year ago

Ok, big new discovery! This Word of Notch post from July 5th 2011 states that Notch has worked on "new biome code". Could this be the GenLayer system? If so, was my theory about two separate development branches right? Or maybe the GenLayers initially copied beta biomes?

minecraft12y commented 1 year ago

There's something that clears this up a bit, and that's a tweet from jeb: https://twitter.com/jeb_/status/88333149611892736, on the same day the blog post was made where he says notch wanted to make bigger biomes at that point.

In addition to that, I've found another tweet (this time from notch) posted a month later in which he says he's started reworking biomes...? https://twitter.com/notch/status/101212681234681858.

BlueStaggo commented 1 year ago

In that case, the "new biome code" might be the world generation code from Dinnerbone's screenshot at the time. However, Notch said that he was tweaking combat yet he mentioned knockback the month before. It's a little bit confusing.

nasko222 commented 1 year ago

I am very very busy this summer, if you really want you can try to recreate all b1.8 devs from scratch and if theyre good enough i might update them in the repo (and promply credit you)

BlueStaggo commented 1 year ago

:thinking: I might try In other words, I'm doing it!

BlueStaggo commented 1 year ago

I have analysed the trailer and here's what I've found for the preview build:

BlueStaggo commented 1 year ago

@nasko222 The repository for the Beta 1.8 devs can be viewed here if you want. Edit: I think IntelliJ messed with Git a bit so I recreated the repository and you need to accept the invite again.

Nicky2024 commented 1 year ago

Can I view your recreated Beta 1.8 dev repository please BlueStaggo? because I want to see what beta 1.8 looks like during development.

nasko222 commented 1 year ago

You must wait until the new recreations are finished

Nicky2024 commented 1 year ago

Oh okay then I guess can wait until the new recreations are finished.

BlueStaggo commented 1 year ago

Oh okay then I guess can wait until the new recreations are finished.

The builds from PAX Prime and Hatfilms are ready if you want to know

nasko222 commented 1 year ago

hey blue staggo is it possible to make the TMRP fork private, i dont wanna have any other TMRP forks, I will credit you once the new remakes are done and ready to be ported here

BlueStaggo commented 1 year ago

I can't change the fork to be private. That isn't necessary anyways because I'm only going to upload the new recreations once they're ready for a pull request. I'm thinking about releasing the PAX Prime and trailer builds now then I delete the fork and bring it back once the other recreations are ready.

nasko222 commented 1 year ago

alright, also write something in test.txt, it was a test upload file for all contributors while the recreations were private but now every contributor writes some joke into it, so you can also write something

Nicky2024 commented 1 year ago

Where are the other beta 1.8 dev recreations?

nasko222 commented 1 year ago

They are not done, Be patient and stop asking the same question

Nicky2024 commented 1 year ago

Alright fine I will wait a little longer.

Nicky2024 commented 1 year ago

It’s been 2 days since BlueStaggo finished the PAX Prime and Hatfilms builds of beta 1.8 so where is he now exactly?

nasko222 commented 1 year ago

I told you to be patient, this wont take "just a few days"

Nicky2024 commented 1 year ago

Hmm that’s odd BlueStaggo’s fork has been deleted a hour ago so why did he delete the fork exactly because it shows a 404 error.

nasko222 commented 1 year ago

Very odd indeed!!! Maybe its because my repo doesn't allow people to fork it because I get mad!!

In any case you must wait (very) patiently for the b1.8 devs because it takes time

Nicky2024 commented 1 year ago

Okay I’ll be waiting very patiently.

nasko222 commented 1 year ago

Beta 1.7 builds accuracy too

https://github.com/Bukkit/mc-dev/commit/a52f7eb748a900109d5cc2cbf6707829c6327795#diff-f061d17039658b9fe0c4fc1b937271c303f215bdfa6b498070db1f598219ae35

moved from the b1.7 issue the piston code is different and few other small things

let that issue be an overhaul for both b1.7 and b1.8 devs

Nicky2024 commented 1 year ago

Hi Nasko how’s work on the new b1.8 dev builds so far?

nasko222 commented 1 year ago

Hi, I don't work on them. BlueStaggo does. He is busy i think

BlueStaggo commented 1 year ago

@Nicky2024 I've seen your comments and I'll be nice enough to let you know that I have finished 6 devs (devs 1, 10, 11, 12, preview and trailer) and I have 8 left (devs 2-9).

Nicky2024 commented 1 year ago

Wait a minute! Did you just say you finished 6 dev builds of Beta 1.8 and you have 8 left to go? That’s impossible! no one has ever finished 6 dev builds of Beta 1.8 before! So this means there’s actually 14 developer builds of Beta 1.8!

Nicky2024 commented 1 year ago

Hey BlueStaggo I just created 3 .info files for the upcoming new b1.8 dev builds named b1.8-dev11,b1.8-dev12 and b1.8-trailer recreations because this is just a teaser for the new b1.8 dev builds.

Nicky2024 commented 12 months ago

It’s been 3 days since BlueStaggo last posted on GitHub I was wondering how he’s is doing now?

BlueStaggo commented 12 months ago

@Nicky2024 Sheesh, this project is not my only purpose in life.

Nicky2024 commented 12 months ago

Oh…. okay then maybe later.

nasko222 commented 12 months ago

GUYS!!!!!!!!

its been 9 hours since blue staggo posted. DID HE GAVE UP ON THE PROJECT????2?2?2?2?2?2?2

NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!++++!!!+!