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User-friendly per-application routing on Linux #212

Closed ple1n closed 1 year ago

ple1n commented 1 year ago

I would not set a VPN to be the default gatway, as my needs are nuanced.

Android VPNs tend to have per-application settings for routing, but getting it on Linux seems to involve a lot of hassle.

Possible solutions

  1. System/Physical-level routing. Tails, whonix. It may be an overkill and is not convenient to set up.
  2. Firejail. Currently doesn't support TUN though.
  3. Iptables marking traffic from programs run by different users, which is sent through different gateways.
  4. Network namespace
  5. Force-binding applications to interfaces

I don't know how this may be solved elegantly, securely without UX compromise. For now I use socks proxies through application configuration, which carries more risk.

ValdikSS commented 1 year ago

So, what's your question? It's not clear what are you trying to achieve and what is the problem statement. All software mentioned in the first list already provides proxy port which you can configure in the application, except Lokinet (I guess it uses TUN?), so it's already could be configured per-application.

Are you trying to make it vice versa, all automatic configuration, to not to configure each application individually?

ple1n commented 1 year ago

@ValdikSS Maximize the sum of security and convenience. Setting proxies in application themselves requires active support from the developers. (An application has to be programmed to support proxies.) It's not uncommon that applications leak traffic, which is disastrous. Firefox has weird behavior about DNS. I didn't know that it leaked DNS untill I did extensive research. The behavior is unintuitive and it is not informing what it is actually doing. The settings is vague. Users are not going to become experts before using it, securely. Proxy settings is often disrespected, or it doesn't work in the expected way. (like, who would know socks5h)

Enforcing proxy in kernel or anything sandbox-like is way better. And, some applications don't work with proxychains. The traffic leaked without warning, for me.

I have posted this problem elsewhere too

https://github.com/oxen-io/lokinet/issues/2140

https://www.reddit.com/r/PrivacyGuides/comments/115eky5/optimal_solution_to_selective_proxying/

hiddify-com commented 1 year ago

Try https://github.com/hiddify/HiddifyDesktop/releases/tag/v1.203.1

ple1n commented 1 year ago

@hiddify I doubt you have considered my concerns listed above

My point is container-based (if I am to phrase it), rather than rule-based.