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[Hunter] Flare and opener #1555

Open netherspite opened 6 years ago

netherspite commented 6 years ago

Issue by justinbeaver
Sunday Aug 30, 2015 at 10:12 GMT
Originally opened as https://github.com/ccshiro/cc-buglist/issues/1555


Is it possible to sap hunter in the middle of the flare?

Who can find anything about it? I spoke to Schaka and he said that sprint+sap or ShS+sap works well It's depends on your latency and luck My guess


Possible

  1. Possible to sap hunter in flare with Shadowstep-Sap.
  2. Possible to sap hunter in flare with sprint-jump-trick.

But rogue can't get sap off on hunter and opener with CS on his pet with any one of this methods, flare will break him after sap.

Not possible

  1. Not possible to find a spot before flare to sap hunter and be stealthed.
  2. Not possbile to rush in flare with normal stealthed speed and sap hunter. Flare should break stealth before he can get sap off.

"1. Possible to sap hunter in flare with Shadowstep-Sap." Basic trick that rogue doing to open on hunter.

Interesting find that stealth breaks (left bottom corner) before rogue got flare debuff on him while stealth buff icon still up. And he failed with ShS+cs opener Jamoro-Highest-Rated-2v2-e.avi Rogue is using shs, he's far from flare radius 1 using shs You can see how his stealth goes on CD (left bottom corner), while Stealth buff is still on him, and no flare debuff at that time 2 you can see how his stealth breaks before he has flare debuff He can't get an opener 3 and he can t get an opener https://youtu.be/_cJ4Njs2Knw?t=1032 03:35 Open with ShS+CS jamoro-highest-rated-2v2-e avi_snapshot_03 36_ 2015 08 29_20 59 08

seriouslyoffcell.wmv ShS+CS seriouslyoffcell wmv_snapshot_02 51_ 2015 08 29_21 20 46 https://youtu.be/m8nOaNMHZIQ?t=165

Jacktrapper_III.avi 04:37 ShS+CS jacktrapper_iii avi_snapshot_04 36_ 2015 08 29_20 47 11 http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=74611

Krymu_5.avi 21:50 ShS+CS krymu_5 avi_snapshot_21 53_ 2015 08 29_21 14 13 https://youtu.be/q_9PNGHT1SE?t=1311

Nerf_Sap10-_Commentary.wmv 13:30 He failed with ShS+sap maybe because he was too close to flare area nerf_sap_10_-_commentary wmv_snapshot_13 31_ 2015 08 29_21 10 47 nerf_sap_10_-_commentary wmv_snapshot_13 31_ 2015 08 29_21 10 56 nerf_sap_10_-_commentary wmv_snapshot_13 31_ 2015 08 29_21 11 03 https://youtu.be/GPevaULyx54?t=802


2. Possible to sap hunter in flare with sprint-jump-trick.

"Latency, they have a 10 yard sap, sprint in, get sap; even if flare knocks them out, due to latency it still landed." http://www.arenajunkies.com/topic/124356-why-can-i-get-sapped-while-standing-on-a-flare/

Not easy to find, but i guess this is the one. 2on2_RedknifeDeathwolf.wmv 2on2_redknife__deathwolf wmv_snapshot_03 51_ 2015 08 29_20 39 46 ![2on2_redknifedeathwolf wmv_snapshot03 53 2015 08 29_20 40 25](https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/13700367/9564341/a6635ae6-4eac-11e5-911c-1ff04a007dc4.jpg) http://www.sk-gaming.com/file/5915-2on2_2100_Elem_Shamy__Hunter


1. Not possible to find a spot before flare to sap hunter and be stealthed.

Can't find any movie where rogue is doing it


2. Not possbile to rush in flare with normal stealthed speed and sap hunter. Flare should break stealth before he can get sap off.

Then why would they need sprint-sap if you can sap just by rushing in flare? Could be it 2on2_RedknifeDeathwolf.wmv 04:45 No sprint Failed, could be the pet 2on2_redknife__deathwolf wmv_snapshot_04 45_ 2015 08 29_20 41 48 http://www.sk-gaming.com/file/5915-2on2_2100_Elem_ShamyHunter

2on2_RedknifeDeathwolf.wmv 06:26 No sprint Same 2on2_redknife__deathwolf wmv_snapshot_06 27_ 2015 08 29_20 42 30 ![2on2_redknifedeathwolf wmv_snapshot06 27 2015 08 29_20 43 47](https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/13700367/9564377/eb6d62e8-4ead-11e5-8e7f-b0e9f22ae30a.jpg) http://www.sk-gaming.com/file/5915-2on2_2100_Elem_Shamy__Hunter


Rogue can't get an opener after jumping from the bridge Arena_2v2_Rogue-Priest.avi Rogue is jumping after hunter from the bridge arena_2v2_rogue-priest avi_snapshot_32 45_ 2015 08 29_18 09 44 No flare debuff, but his stealth already on CD arena_2v2_rogue-priest avi_snapshot_32 46_ 2015 08 29_18 10 01 Same, no flare debuff, but his stealth already on CD arena_2v2_rogue-priest avi_snapshot_32 46_ 2015 08 29_18 10 07 Can't get an opener arena_2v2_rogue-priest avi_snapshot_32 46_ 2015 08 29_18 10 12 http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=68683


On CC

Sap before flare wowscrnshot_082915_122347 wowscrnshot_082915_122444 wowscrnshot_082915_122448


Rushing in with normal speed in stealth wowscrnshot_082915_123553 wowscrnshot_082915_123621


netherspite commented 6 years ago

Comment by ccshiro
Tuesday Sep 22, 2015 at 18:28 GMT


I'm uncertain what the bug is exactly. Could you concretely define what's not working correctly on our server atm? Thanks.