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[Rogue] Mind-numbing poison #248

Open netherspite opened 6 years ago

netherspite commented 6 years ago

Issue by vexxedd
Sunday Jan 25, 2015 at 09:50 GMT
Originally opened as https://github.com/ccshiro/cc-buglist/issues/248

spell_nature_nullifydisease Rogue mind-numbing poison shouldn't affect global cooldown of the caster.

netherspite commented 6 years ago

Comment by ghost
Wednesday Jan 28, 2015 at 12:38 GMT

sounds like an issue with all poisons?

netherspite commented 6 years ago

Comment by somnu
Thursday Jan 29, 2015 at 22:24 GMT

What do you mean "sounds like an issue with all poisons", mind numbing is the only poison meant to slow cast speed, but it apparently also increases global cooldown.

netherspite commented 6 years ago

Comment by somnu
Saturday Jan 31, 2015 at 10:53 GMT

I came with some proof as this issue was really bugging me, seeing how on most private servers it never works properly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB7bUNWTlh4 - check the duel at 3:20

Also I believe this issue extends beyond Mind-Numbing to Curse of Tongues and Slow.

netherspite commented 6 years ago

Comment by ghost
Wednesday Feb 04, 2015 at 11:16 GMT

So what is the current behaviour? After it is applied, what happens to the caster?

netherspite commented 6 years ago

Comment by somnu
Wednesday Feb 04, 2015 at 17:59 GMT

Well in the previous test, I played a mage and dueled vs a rogue who kept using used mind numbing poison on me. What I noticed was that it didn't just slow the casting speed of frostbolt for example by 60%. It slowed my global cooldown of all spells including instants etc. by 60%, so essentially my spells that have a global cooldown would be available once every 2.4 seconds up from the normal 1.5 global cooldown.

Maybe you could try it for yourself, but be sure that when you try it, you use a caster class like a mage (I know for sure it's bugged for mage class). Because I tried it on a warrior and it seems phyisical dps classes don't have this bug. After mind-numbing was applied warrior GCD was still 1.5s

netherspite commented 6 years ago

Comment by SuddenDeath
Saturday Feb 07, 2015 at 21:08 GMT

2.4 patch notes:

Spell Haste: Spell haste now reduces the global cooldown on spells, down to a minimum of 1 second. This change does not apply to melee and ranged abilities.

perhaps the opposite would increase global cooldown?

Also the video you linked Somnu says in the description that all the footage when the default blizzard actionbars were used was patch 2.3

netherspite commented 6 years ago

Comment by vexxedd
Saturday Feb 07, 2015 at 22:02 GMT

Electric current kill people, so may be Voltage will bring them back to life. Stop talking nonsence. This is not how it should work.

netherspite commented 6 years ago

Comment by SuddenDeath
Saturday Feb 07, 2015 at 23:35 GMT

I'm not saying that I know how it is... I'm just pointing out that there's a possibility.

I have no clue.

netherspite commented 6 years ago

Comment by SubzeroEUsupermodel
Sunday Feb 08, 2015 at 02:09 GMT

For reference: http://www.wowwiki.com/Cooldown?oldid=1563277 http://www.wowwiki.com/Casting_Speed?oldid=1571729

"Certain debuffs, such as Curse of Tongues or Mind-numbing Poison) can decrease your casting speed."

http://www.wowwiki.com/Mind-numbing_Poison_(item)?oldid=1419334 " increasing their casting time by X% for 10 sec"

Haven't found any mention of increase in Global Cooldown by poisons yet. And the wording always suggest only affecting those with cast time.

Btw, should test with other similar effects. http://www.wowwiki.com/Curse_of_Tongues?oldid=1428403 http://www.wowwiki.com/Slow_(mage)?oldid=1561113 And probably others that don't come to mind.

netherspite commented 6 years ago

Comment by somnu
Wednesday Feb 11, 2015 at 11:33 GMT

It didn't change from 2.3 to 2.4 man. I mean come on this is wow we're talking about, people would've whined. You were never able to increase your GCD on retail. It's probably a mangos stock bug that gets overlooked on most private servers, I'm assuming it should have a cap with 1s - 1.5s being it's border values.

netherspite commented 6 years ago

Comment by somnu
Wednesday Feb 11, 2015 at 13:30 GMT

Ok so I searched and found some footage from 2.4.x. The only time he has a cast slowing effect on him is in a rogue duel, when he was poisoned with mind numbing. I took the time to slow the footage down so it can be better seen here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE7KIc1yE8g&feature=youtu.be

Hint: Look for the time his blastwave cooldown(the 9th spell on his top action bar) matches his button pressing. I found that when blastwave's CD is at 14sec(0:29 in the video) it lines up pretty well with GCD and it can be seen that the GCD is indeed 1.5 seconds. If you pay close attention it can be seen that he begins casting an arcane explosion just as the Blastwave CD turns from 15sec to 14sec and then it is seen that he actually starts casting another arcane explosion before the Blastwave CD reaches 12sec Now if you think that this isn't proof enough and that even if it's clearly under 2sec I can't say for sure that it's 1.5sec, well, you need to factor in the fact that mind numbing slows you down by 60% which means it should be well over 2 seconds (2.4 to be exact) and the video clearly shows that that isn't the case. You can download the original video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BspvE4fByAA and view it frame by frame for yourself. The duel starts at around minutes and 10 seconds in.

Original upload: http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=76463

netherspite commented 6 years ago

Comment by ccshiro
Sunday Feb 15, 2015 at 23:15 GMT

Debugged it, my global cooldown as a mage did not increase (stayed at 1.5 secs) with a rogue putting mind-numbing on me. Needs further testing.

netherspite commented 6 years ago

Comment by somnu
Monday Feb 16, 2015 at 13:24 GMT

Gj, I really like that you guys take the time to listen and go into depth with this kind of stuff, cause it's this kind of stuff that sets you apart.

netherspite commented 6 years ago

Comment by solowt
Tuesday Mar 10, 2015 at 21:18 GMT

suggestion: try it with icy veins up also

netherspite commented 6 years ago

Comment by Evolvee
Tuesday Dec 29, 2015 at 17:15 GMT

You can nicely see this if u full-gem and equip haste gems and haste gear... GCD reduced from spell haste shouldnt be increased by spell-debuffs such as tongues or mind numbing...