Creature Stats

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Issue by ccshiro
Tuesday Apr 14, 2015 at 16:59 GMT
Originally opened as https://github.com/ccshiro/cc-buglist/issues/422

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Stat attributes such as Intellect, Stamina, etc. currently only exists for players and their pets. This is wrong, as NPCs too should have stats.

In order to fix this some research is needed. If we were to assume it's a formula that derives the stat for any NPC (seems likely given that's true for stats we already have, such as NPC armor), we would need to derive said formula for the various stats given the unit class, level, expansion, creature type (maybe?), and whatever else might be part of the equation.

This is a rather big issue (in terms of time-investment it'd take to fix it), and it's hard to know how feasible it is to get working correctly. Nonetheless, it's a bug so I'm adding it to the tracker.

To be explicit, I'm speaking about the following 5 basic stats:

• Strength
• Agility
• Stamina
• Intellect
• Spirit

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Comment by ccshiro
Tuesday Apr 14, 2015 at 16:59 GMT

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Here's a thread with data for TBC demons: http://wowmb.net/forums/f100/12177-encyclopedia_demonica_hellfire_peninsula/p8/

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Comment by ghost
Wednesday Apr 15, 2015 at 13:23 GMT

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It makes sense for NPCs to have stats, otherwise the paladin talent Vindication is rather useless in levelling/PvE

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Comment by shadowraider
Wednesday Apr 15, 2015 at 16:49 GMT

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is this really considered a major bug?

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Comment by leroy1
Saturday Apr 18, 2015 at 08:55 GMT

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http://www.wowhead.com/forums&topic=88411/vindication-why-it-is-worthless-in-pve

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Comment by ghost
Monday Apr 20, 2015 at 15:47 GMT

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interesting wotlk thread

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Comment by Philosophers
Thursday Apr 23, 2015 at 09:58 GMT

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Even from that wotlk thread of vindication being useless: This was performed on a Reanimated Crusader in Icecrown. The mob in question was level 78 and had 11 770 HP from the start. After forcing a proc through HoR the mob ended up with 11 130 HP. A decrease of 640 HP or 64 stam (5% HP). This would mean the mob has a stam of 320. In other words it gains 3200 HP from stam. The remaining 8570 HP is unaffected by Vindication

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Comment by X-Savior
Friday May 29, 2015 at 06:54 GMT

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Good luck,

I spent 1.5 years developing this system! Your just scratching the tip of the iceberg.

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Comment by vove9000
Sunday May 31, 2015 at 02:40 GMT

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There was this book World of Warcraft Bestiary containing information on mobs, their armor, resistances, etc. however I've seen it only once irl and don't remember exactly if it covered attributes. It was published a year after TBC launch so it should contain info on most of the mobs from TBC content. Can be bought at amazon (used ones for 0,01$ lol) or stolen from tpb, or if someone owns it he can just write down the stats.

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Comment by mdindoffer
Sunday May 31, 2015 at 09:28 GMT

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Well here you go: http://web.archive.org/web/20080913135323/http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/html/articles/stats_attributes.php However, these are the stats of the pets after you tame them. I am not sure if they are the same when untamed. // and here's the table for caster pets: http://web.archive.org/web/20080913033141/http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/html/articles/stats_casters.php

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Comment by vove9000
Sunday May 31, 2015 at 10:29 GMT

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Once you tamed the pet in tbc it received stats from its family, if you had any bird it had same stats as any other birds, only difference was the skin. It was like that back in the vanilla, best pet for hunter was an elite snow leopard from Winterspring because of its stats that prevailed upon taming.

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Comment by mdindoffer
Sunday May 31, 2015 at 11:10 GMT

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Well of course it had stats from its family, but the base stats were the same for all families. The only thing a family influenced was additional modifiers applied to health, armor and damage. For example cats have +10% dmg and -2% health, but the base stats are the same. http://web.archive.org/web/20080913135328/http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/html/articles/stats_families.php#stats

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Comment by vove9000
Sunday May 31, 2015 at 21:27 GMT

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Ah, yes, I guess I didn't understand you right at first. I thought you said tamed pets have same attributes as the beast before taming it, that's why I said it was like that in vanilla but they changed it in tbc.

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Comment by ccbotbot
Monday Aug 17, 2015 at 02:42 GMT

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The petopia pages are relevant for TBC.