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Curriculum for training and learning #26

Open ChrisBeeley opened 2 years ago

ChrisBeeley commented 2 years ago

NHS-R needs to have a considered view on a "curriculum" or competency framework for an NHS-R analyst, and this document could be a place for that.

@Lextuga007 will have good ideas, as will others no doubt

wbryant commented 2 years ago

Should this issue be closed here if it's over in the vision repo?

ChrisBeeley commented 2 years ago

I've deleted my previous response because I can see the confusion. I've now deleted the message in this issue that references the vision repo

Lextuga007 commented 2 years ago

The ultimate goal is to have training to be ready to create a Reproducible Analytical Pipeline so that could include some training outside R like SQL or Python but for the Community I'd say:

Core

Next step

Taking this further

ChrisBeeley commented 2 years ago

Looks good, I wonder if it could be divided into "core" (like GitHub, RMarkdown, loops and functions) and "extra" (data.table, plotly, webscraping)

wbryant commented 2 years ago

There will definitely be some which are applicable to a subset of analysts. Should we have elements around analytics/the logic and pipeline of an analysis and how it might look when complete?

There are obviously a whole bunch of stats/data science methods, and they are captured across a wide range of learning resources, but actual practical/pragmatic lessons on the elements of a good analytics project (e.g. outcomes measurement, best practice in structuring code for reuse), stakeholder management, dealing with project creep etc?

Might be more for the AphA/AnalystX curriculum on professional training?

Dr William A Bryant Senior Data Scientist for the DRE @ GOSH

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Looks good, I wonder if it could be divided into "core" (like GitHub, RMarkdown, loops and functions) and "extra" (data.table, plotly, webscraping)

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ChrisBeeley commented 2 years ago

Is there a curriculum on professional training? I've never heard of such a thing. I've only seen the competency framework. Is it finished/ in draft?

wbryant commented 2 years ago

I think that's what I meant, though now you mention it there is the new FeDIP learning hub, just released today I think - https://www.fedip.org/fedip-hub. Haven't had a chance to look at it so not sure exactly what it includes.

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Lextuga007 commented 2 years ago

Interesting. I think this is more of a catalogue than a curriculum:

These include accredited CPD resources, past webinars from FEDIP and our Professional Bodies, and Taster Courses from our accredited partners. We have a small selection to get us started but FEDIP and our Professional Bodies will be adding continuously to grow our catalogue.

It's also restricted to practitioners (with 6 month free initially for non-practitioners) and may require membership to a professional body which makes it exclusive. My hope is that NHS-R Community continues to be inclusive with materials open to the public following the recommendation from Better, Broader and Safer Review:

  1. Create an Open College for NHS Analysts: this should devise (and coordinate delivery of) a curriculum for initial training and ‘continuing professional development’, tied to job descriptions; all training content should be shared openly online to all; and cover a range of skills and roles from deep data science to data communication.
wbryant commented 2 years ago

Yes a very fair point. It highlights a tension between wanting the professionalisation of the analytics function (as also recommended in the Goldacre Report), including presumably some sort of membership benefits (whatever they turn out to be) versus the open code, open practice, open guidance as also recommended (and exemplified by the Open College recommendation).

Lextuga007 commented 2 years ago

Another training consideration (outside R):

ChrisBeeley commented 2 years ago

Everything open, all the time

Lextuga007 commented 2 years ago

I've just seen this on the GSS site https://gss.civilservice.gov.uk/training/r-control-flow-loops-and-functions/ which looks really interesting. It's not open sadly but might be something NHS staff can access (I've asked if I can).

Lextuga007 commented 2 years ago

Training on data from the UK data service