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Why the Youtube meetings were public but not anymore? #8

Closed a0viedo closed 8 years ago

a0viedo commented 9 years ago

At least the ones at Oct 3 and Oct 9.

bnoordhuis commented 9 years ago

@rvagg I saw you uploaded the video to YouTube. Has it been published yet?

rvagg commented 9 years ago

Yes, its accessible but unlisted. Link is in the email thread about it. I just didn't want to be the one to share it here yet given the sensitivities of the current situation and seeing how the previous ones we're temporarily unlisted. If you want to share it, go ahead, though it might make sense to wait until some dust settles. @mikeal?

To everyone else reading this: it's probably frustrating watching this semi-closed and not well communicated process but please be aware that everyone involved here is working together towards and better future for Node, one that's also much more inclusive and open, and involves things like public recordings of TC meetings. There's just some sensitive politiking going on on our way there.

mbonaci commented 9 years ago

@rvagg :+1: for the initiative, but what dust? We don't know shit, so the explanation is rather useless :)

I cannot fathom what could be the reason for making those videos private? Open all the things! Say it loud and clear.

Just my uninformed guess: http://youtu.be/-zRN7XLCRhc So fork, yeah, but tell us what's going on.

a0viedo commented 9 years ago

"forkphobia", that's an awesome term introduced by @bcantrill

dshaw commented 9 years ago

"forkaphilic" too. https://twitter.com/bcantrill/status/520649394681421824

mbonaci commented 9 years ago

@rvagg @dshaw @mikeal so there's still no explanation about what's going on? Aren't node community supposed to be open in every possible way (as open mind, not as open window :) Can you at least give us a good reason why you made this look like an elitist gathering, conspiring behind a closed door?

I'm not trolling, I genuinely feel that way. I'm writing this because I care. It pisses me off that I'm almost in a complete dark.

I was very surprised to see that you made videos (anything) private. I expected to see the whole story after Joyent formed advisory board. Nothing happened. I expected to get some info from the last nodeup. Nothing there.

Couple of private videos, tablespoon of mysterious "dust settling" and a pinch of "sensitivities of the current situation". What a hell?

I would have never expected this kind of behavior from the node community rock stars!?!

Now please, would you be so kind to ignore me a bit more, it feels so welcoming :( You can throw away all those "noobs welcome" efforts, as long as things like this are happening.

Would you feel welcome?

Albert-IV commented 9 years ago

@mbonaci Calm down man, I don't think anyone is deliberately snubbing you here. I think there are some legalities and political maneuvering going on that can't be made public yet, and I don't think making a scene will help.

Best advice I can give you is to watch this repo, as well as the node repo. Keep up with the issue trackers on both. Keeping up with the issues and fixes should give you a better idea on where the node.js project is going.

There have been some hints that v12 will be getting released in the next few weeks, which I'd imagine would clear some of this mystery up. That being said I'm in the dark about all of this as well, so we're all waiting to find out what's happening.

ijroth commented 9 years ago

You may want to listen to the next Joyent advisory board meeting:

https://nodejs.org/advisory-board/2014-11-06/minutes.html#minutes_md_next_meeting

mbonaci commented 9 years ago

@droppedoncaprica so you're in the dark too and that doesn't bother you? OK, but please allow that it bothers me. Can I express my honest opinion without being accused of making a scene?

So if someone explained what's going on, she/he could be sued? Come on, really? Can someone "that's not in the dark" confirm that? That would certainly be a viable explanation, but it seems a bit stretched.

Thanks @droppedoncaprica though, for at least trying to clarify. Thanks @ijroth.

mbonaci commented 9 years ago

@domenic you don't mean sued for laying down the facts?

Thanks for that, but you'll understand that this is just another hint in the long line of hints about something that is very important to me.

mikeal commented 9 years ago

I've sent the Nodejs Advisory Board a pull request with the governance and contribution policy adopted by Node Forward.

https://github.com/joyent/nodejs-advisory-board/pull/11

This is now in the public and all of you have a chance to participate and support to hate on that policy.

a0viedo commented 8 years ago

Closing, it's not relevant anymore.