Node.js Foundation Core Technical Committee (CTC) Meeting 2016-12-14

Trott commented 7 years ago

Time

UTC Wed 14-Dec-2016 20:00:

Timezone	Date/Time
US / Pacific	Wed 14-Dec-2016 12:00
US / Mountain	Wed 14-Dec-2016 13:00
US / Central	Wed 14-Dec-2016 14:00
US / Eastern	Wed 14-Dec-2016 15:00
Amsterdam	Wed 14-Dec-2016 21:00
Moscow	Wed 14-Dec-2016 23:00
Chennai	Thu 15-Dec-2016 01:30
Tokyo	Thu 15-Dec-2016 05:00
Sydney	Thu 15-Dec-2016 07:00

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Links

Minutes Google Doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wwg3FhoiBTVM_Al8zdgHdr8-3njYC9oaYv_UMZ_HZ9A
Previous Minutes Google Doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1s1yJ1lhPuRhis12l6h21wvoPCuorgciFrPKEKG4olvE

Agenda

Extracted from ctc-agenda labelled issues and pull requests from the nodejs org prior to the meeting.

nodejs/node

[WIP] Restore copyright attribution #10155
deps: upgrade npm to 4.0.2 #9848

nodejs/TSC

Updating the Copyright #174

Invited

Anna Henningsen @addaleax (CTC)
Bradley Meck @bmeck (observer/GoDaddy/TC39)
Ben Noordhuis @bnoordhuis (CTC)
Сковорода Никита Андреевич @ChALkeR (CTC)
Chris Dickinson @chrisdickinson (CTC)
Colin Ihrig @cjihrig (CTC)
Evan Lucas @evanlucas (CTC)
Jeremiah Senkpiel @Fishrock123 (CTC)
Tracy Hinds @hackygolucky (observer/Node.js Foundation)
Fedor Indutny @indutny (CTC)
James M Snell @jasnell (CTC)
Josh Gavant @joshgav (observer/Microsoft)
Michael Dawson @mhdawson (CTC)
Julien Gilli @misterdjules (CTC)
Mikeal Rogers @mikeal (observer/Node.js Foundation)
Brian White @mscdex (CTC)
Ali Ijaz Sheikh @ofrobots (CTC)
Jenn Turner @renrutnnej (observer/Node.js Foundation)
Rod Vagg @rvagg (CTC)
Seth Thompson @s3ththompson (observer/Google)
Shigeki Ohtsu @shigeki (CTC)
Steven R Loomis @srl295 (observer/IBM/ICU)
Michaël Zasso @targos (observer)
Myles Borins @TheAlphaNerd (CTC)
Sakthipriyan Vairamani @thefourtheye (CTC)
Trevor Norris @trevnorris (CTC)
Rich Trott @Trott (CTC)

Notes

The agenda comes from issues labelled with ctc-agenda across all of the repositories in the nodejs org. Please label any additional issues that should be on the agenda before the meeting starts.

Joining the meeting

Uberconference; participants should have the link & numbers, contact me if you don't.

Public participation

We stream our conference call straight to YouTube so anyone can listen to it live, it should start playing at https://www.youtube.com/c/nodejs+foundation/live when we turn it on. There's usually a short cat-herding time at the start of the meeting and then occasionally we have some quick private business to attend to before we can start recording & streaming. So be patient and it should show up.

Many of us will be on IRC in #node-dev on Freenode if you'd like to interact, we have a Q/A session scheduled at the end of the meeting if you'd like us to discuss anything in particular. @nodejs/collaborators in particular if there's anything you need from the CTC that's not worth putting on as a separate agenda item, this is a good place for it.

Trott commented 7 years ago

@jasnell It's not clear to me that [WIP] Restore copyright attribution #10155 should be on the CTC agenda. This seems to be something that can/should be resolved somewhere between the Foundation's legal team, the Foundation Board of Directors, and the TSC. Am I wrong? If so, can you clarify what the CTC needs to decide on this so that everyone can come to the meeting prepared? (Is it just to amplify the signal on the "please help me find files that don't need this change" request?)

Trott commented 7 years ago

@Fishrock123 Can deps: upgrade npm to 4.0.2 #9848 be removed from the agenda as it was discussed last week? (I missed the discussion.) Or does it need to stay on this week? If it should stay on, can you give a one- or two-sentence summary of what needs to be decided?

Trott commented 7 years ago

@jasnell Similar to the other issue on this, can you expand on what needs to be decided by the CTC about Updating the Copyright #174? Can this be removed from the CTC agenda? (It's labeled for the TSC agenda as well, which means a lot of people are going to be talking about it twice...)

Trott commented 7 years ago

@mhdawson Initial version of eps for ABI-Stable-Module-API #20 can be removed from the agenda as there was resolution last week? Or does it need to be discussed some more?

Trott commented 7 years ago

I'm not sure it needs to be on the agenda, but we do need to decide when and how to deprecate the current CLI debugger. @ofrobots @joshgav @jkrems @jasnell

Do we deprecate it in documentation now? (If not, what are we waiting for?)
When do we create a runtime deprecation for it?
Or do we just make it an alias for node-inspect somehow despite some issues with that?
Are we even able to make informed decisions about any of this at this point or is it wise to wait a bit until we learn more as we move forward with incorporating node-inspect etc.?
Is @jkrems blocked or limited by anything on the node-inspect incorporation? Is there anything we or someone else might be able to do to make things easier/faster for him?
Is all of this stuff we'd be best off delegating to @nodejs/diagnostics and not worrying about on the CTC side other than being kept informed? (I'd love it if the Diagnostics WG charter were sufficiently clear that there wasn't really a choice on this. That is, I'd love it if the charter were sufficiently clear that this either definitely did or definitely did not fall to the Diagnostics WG. I reviewed the charter with @jkrems I think and my recollection is that it wasn't clear. /cc @williamkapke for a second opinion.)

Trott commented 7 years ago

The other issue that may not need to be on the agenda necessarily but that we certainly don't want to lose track of is: What is the Buffer deprecation situation going to look like in version 8? @ChALkeR @addaleax

Is a runtime deprecation still planned? If so, what will the message look like to avoid the issues from the version 7.0.0 deprecation message?
What sort of work is going on to make this as easy on the ecosystem as we can make it? What sorts of resources might the CTC or the Foundation or someone else be able to provide to help?
Messaging? Maybe help from the Foundation and/or Evangelism WG and/or others?

jkrems commented 7 years ago

Do we deprecate it in documentation now?

I don't think there's anything to gain from waiting on this (at least creating the PR). It would be unfortunate to land a runtime deprecation without having a replacement ready but given the looming doom of node 8, I'd say rather sooner than later.

mhdawson commented 7 years ago

This can be dropped from the agenda "Initial version of eps for ABI-Stable-Module-API #20". We talked about it last time and I've removed the tag from it.