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Node.js Africa Launch - Node.js Nigeria Conf 2018 #170

Closed codeekage closed 6 years ago

codeekage commented 6 years ago

The Node.js Africa Team will love to invite the @nodejs/collaborators to join us officially launch Node in Africa.

Venue: ... Date: 8th September, 2018. Time: 11AM

Sponsor/ Attend/ Speak here: https://github.com/nodejsafrica/events/blob/master/node-ng-conf-2018/attendance.md

Hope to see some collaborators here in Nigeria. Thank you 🙏

benjamingr commented 6 years ago

Hey, is this an official Node.js Foundation event?

September 8th 2018 is pretty close already and I would not be able to attend due to prior obligations.

Other than that - great initiative and I would love to attend a Node.js Africa event in the future.

watson commented 6 years ago

Great initiative. I know almost nothing about how big the Node.js usage is in Nigeria or even across Africa. It might be fun to get some fresh numbers from npm and the Node.js foundation to present at the event.

What's the process of submitting talks?

ladyleet commented 6 years ago

Congrats @codeekage on launching this!

codehakase commented 6 years ago

Congrats @codeekage and everyone involved!!!

jalasem commented 6 years ago

Great initiative What are modalities for submitting talks?

IsraelGboluwaga commented 6 years ago

Great one @codeekage. Can't wait.

@watson you'd be shocked at how many people use node js around here.

makozi commented 6 years ago

Great initiative.

benjamingr commented 6 years ago

I'm really confused at this issue.

I am very pro advocating and evangalizing Node.js in Africa but this is really confusing. It's not clear to me how to help or what's being done.

netwrkx commented 6 years ago

Count me in!!!

ladyleet commented 6 years ago

@benjamingr this is not an official Node.js Foundation event. :) @codeekage it would be great to let the community know how specifically we can help with community support as we do all other events!

benjamingr commented 6 years ago

@ladyleet then I do not understand why it's a topic at @nodejs/admin with a collaborator ping?

There are a lot of conferences involving Node.js and they don't ping nodejs/collaborators asking for help in the admin repo.

I would have expected the following instead:

Otherwise, since this is not a Node.js foundation event - this feels like I got pinged into a private event. When @codeekage said:

The Node.js Africa Team

It is unclear if we actually have a nodejs/africa team in the foundation that is tasked with promoting the project in Africa or if that's a private initiative.

So in general:

I don't want this sort of thing (the post, not the conference obviously) to be a trend.

ladyleet commented 6 years ago

@benjamingr this was submitted from the community as an issue on this repo. administrators can feel free to close or provide suggestions for what types of issues should be posted. :) i'm sure @codeekage appreciates your thoughts.

hashseed commented 6 years ago

I'm a bit irritated as well that all collaborators were pinged. This should not become a trend. I'm certain most collaborators cannot make any meaningful contribution here and for me this just adds noise.

ladyleet commented 6 years ago

k - well let's be nice - feel free to close the issue and suggest other ways @codeekage and others can engage in the future. :)

benjamingr commented 6 years ago

@ladyleet - @codeekage is a member of CommComm which oversees this repository - my assumption is that they are more informed than I am regarding the appropriateness of posting this here.

I don't have a very strong feeling about it (but generally agree with Yang) and I am bringing up a concern I've had regarding this issue. This isn't an adversarial thing - I want to understand better what our policy on this is.

I do not think @codeekage meant any ill intent with this - I just want to understand our policy better and understand what the appropriate channels for this are.

Also:

feel free to close the issue and suggest other ways @codeekage and others can engage in the future. :)

I would not close an issue opened by a foundation member in a one-sided act anyway. I would ask that @codeekage considers whether this issue is the most effective way to communicate the information they are looking to communicate or whether the options I've listed in https://github.com/nodejs/admin/issues/170#issuecomment-400957861 are more appropriate.

ladyleet commented 6 years ago

@benjamingr 👍

ryzokuken commented 6 years ago

I think @codeekage meant this more as an announcement, but I do agree on @benjamingr and @hashseed that:

  1. It seems completely out of scope of nodejs/admin.
  2. I believe most of the people who got pinged with the collaborators ping either aren't interested or won't be able to make it there.

Personally, I'd have liked it better if there wasn't a ping on the collaborators team because that seemed entirely unnecessary, and if @codeekage or one of the organizers of the event had provided an actionable list of stuff that interested individuals could use to help out.

bnb commented 6 years ago

Appreciate the initiative @codeekage, but generally events like this haven't been involved in the Node.js project - they've been very community driven. This isn't to say that having something more focused on events isn't wanted, but this repository isn't the appropriate venue for promoting events.

@codeekage if you would like to discuss a space for discussing events and creating a path for all kinds of community events to be promoted, I highly suggest creating an issue in the CommComm repository to discuss it. We will need to assess it and our ability to execute successfully on it (we've made a few attempts at this in the past without gaining much traction) and be able to decide if we can follow through effectively based on that discussion.

hackygolucky commented 6 years ago

@codeekage @benjamingr @ladyleet @bnb My recommendation is to move this to a CommComm repo. This is out of scope for this repo(as its purpose is for joint administration efforts as related to the top-level committees of the project) but I think we may be able to chalk this up to folks not knowing expected practices in the Node.js project repos. As folks have said, we have to be respectful of not pinging everyone unless it it relevant to do so, so we try not to @-a large group of people in the project unless it is incredibly poignant and time-sensitive.

A few repos appropriate for us to help share the good word!:

bnb commented 6 years ago

Going to close this for now.

@codeekage if you'd like to further discuss, please open an issue in a CommComm repo per @hackygolucky's suggestion 👍

codeekage commented 6 years ago

Had issues accessing github for some days. Sorry I’ve not been able to take questions and sort out this issue. :pray:

codeekage commented 6 years ago

Correction noted. Sorry to all @nodejs/collaborator for stepping out of line with this issue hope it gets sorted out with a better approach.

The aim was to formerly inform all collaborators on what we intend to do in some few months and also get help from more experienced folks who have hosted tons of event and would love drop some interesting recommendation to make it a successful event.

The only action item was assisting in best possible ways.

Thank you for closing and fixing up my mistakes. Lesson learnt :smile:

benjamingr commented 6 years ago

Thank you for your response @codeekage and for the honest apology ❤️

While this is not a Node.js foundation event and posting about such events isn't generally done - there are still a bunch of things that we can do for it in the project. I ask that you still consider what I said in https://github.com/nodejs/admin/issues/170#issuecomment-400957861 and consider:

In addition, if you would like to have an official team for Africa outreach - then that is also something to bring up to CommComm.

codeekage commented 6 years ago

Can I ping you on Twitter @benjamingr let’s draft a formal document for the CommComm and Code-And-Learn?

benjamingr commented 6 years ago

@codeekage I don't use twitter as I don't consider it a very conductive platform for constructive communication. You can shoot me an email to the email listed under my name in https://github.com/nodejs/node and I would love to see how I can help with this.

maddhruv commented 6 years ago

screenshot_2018-07-02-17-44-15

Is it? :thinking: :confused: /cc @codeekage

benjamingr commented 6 years ago

@maddhruv It's also in the logo by the way:

image

Not really sure what's up with that.

maddhruv commented 6 years ago

I actually was posting the heading cover but it had more colors so, 😋 Rather I choose to share the description.

BTW the more framed question is "Is the conference/summit sponsored by NF?"

benjamingr commented 6 years ago

@maddhruv as far as I understand it is not but given that link I'd assume either:

Pinging @nodejs/community-committee to understand where we stand about this.

codeekage commented 6 years ago

@benjamingr I was specifically asked by @zibby from Node.js Foundation to include sponsored or supported by Node.js Foundation and you still dwelling on this doesn't look nice at all or tell well on my image as a collaborator.

Node.js Foundation has always sponsored SWAGs for the events we've held in the past and even for this very event, the SWAGs have been covered by the Foundation.

@maddhruv That doesn't look like a logo and That's a web banner for the event.

It will be nice if you could always ping me to confirm things you don't understand and get clarification.

This issue has been closed and should remain closed.

Thank you.

maddhruv commented 6 years ago

That doesn't look like a logo

@codeekage when did I referred it a logo??? Neither of my two comments say logo

Sorry if the comments above are offending! 🙏🙏

I will delete them if you really wish

codeekage commented 6 years ago

@maddhruv I'm not offended just clearing out the point of @benjamingr calling it a logo with many colors.

benjamingr commented 6 years ago

@maddhruv I'm not offended just clearing out the point of @benjamingr calling it a logo with many colors.

I did not call it a logo of many colours at any point nor did I say anything is wrong with the logo, with the conference or with your conduct.

@benjamingr I was specifically asked by @Zibby from Node.js Foundation to include sponsored or supported by Node.js Foundation and you still dwelling on this doesn't look nice at all or tell well on my image as a collaborator.

I'll try to explain why this is confusing to me. You are a member of the Node.js foundation. In fact you are a member of the Node.js CommComm which is the Node.js governing body to deal with these things. Quite simply - you are involved with these things in the foundation and me and @maddhruv are not.

We are not criticizing you - we are asking for clarification.

I do not believe that anything I am saying here is reflecting poorly on you, Node.js Africa or the foundation at all. If you believe anything I did isn't as welcoming as it should or can be please do let me know and I will gladly self-moderate.

It will be nice if you could always ping me to confirm things you don't understand and get clarification.

I was under the impression this is exactly what was being done here.

benjamingr commented 6 years ago

So just to clarify: the answer to the question we've had about the conference is that the Node.js foundation is sponsoring SWAG and other things for the event so the quote is accurate.

Is my understanding correct @codeekage ?

codeekage commented 6 years ago

Yes, @benjamingr. Thank you for your clarification.

codeekage commented 6 years ago

Please, anything regarding this event can be addressed to me via the email address listed here https://github.com/nodejs/community-committee

Thank you.

Bamieh commented 6 years ago

@codeekage can you clarify why these concerns should be addressed to your email privately?

It is completely valid to make sure that the event is really sponsored by the foundation, and IMO the best approach is to link the issue where this sponsorship was agreed upon to address these confusions.

My only concern is having this event officially sponsored by the foundation while the event of the repo, the data gathered of participants, and the organization hosting the repo itself is not under node.js (the official node) instead under a different organization hence it is not directly visible or moderated by people in node.js

I want to clarify that there is a big difference between a sponsor and a supporter, the foundation does support and encourage many community events, and our members usually do participate in node.js events.

I see this is brining some confusion so I hope you dont mind me re-openning this and adding it for commcomm discussion.

codeekage commented 6 years ago

@Bamieh I don’t think this issue should be addressed in this repo anymore.

The organization (node.js Africa) is moderated by me and I’m a member of the node.js org. Even before the formation of the mentioned org the foundation and most members of the org were aware.

I hurriedly rushes into making announcements here which was completely wrong and corrections have made.

Informations about the event and the org can be found in @nodejsafrica repos.

I only mentioned communicating with me freely which is a matter of choice.

This repo has been abused by me and I wouldn’t someone else making this same mistake.

I will be closing this issue with this comment and please any further questioning or discussion should be done here: @nodejsafrica/admin or done in the CommComm repo.

Thank you :pray: