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COSCon'18 (China Open Source Conf) wants to hold a Code + Learn Workshop #85

Closed XadillaX closed 5 years ago

XadillaX commented 6 years ago

COSCon'18 asked me that if it's possible that they want to hold a C+L Workshop on 20/21 Oct 2018 @ Shenzhen China.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m3i5nxvwhgaqb1k/COSCon%202018.pdf?dl=0

Here's the PDF. This is a Tentative Agenda.

This is the website: http://www.kaiyuanshe.cn/ And this is COSConf 2017: http://www.huodongxing.com/go/coscon17

Community, Contribution, Motivation, Cultivation

  • Develop Open Source Software & Hardware Community, Lift Community Operations and Governance
  • Share the Success Stories and Technologies of Open Source Software & Hardware Communities and Projects
  • Motivate Open Source Software & Hardware Communities and Projects effectively
  • Advance Open Source Education

Target Audience

  • Members, Committers, Maintainers & Contributors from Open Source Software or Hardware Projects
  • Any OSS Project Eligible & Interested in Donating to International Open Source Foundation
  • Leaders of Domestic or International Open Source Software or Hardware Community and Project
  • People Interested in the Incentive Mechanism of Open Source Community and Project of Blockchain
  • Computer Science Teachers and Students of Higher Education

/cc @Trott @addaleax @joyeecheung @yorkie @DavidCai1993

Possible Mentors

XadillaX commented 6 years ago

/ping @Trott @addaleax

addaleax commented 6 years ago

I have their COSCon\ 2018\ (Eng).pdf and COSCon18\ Speaker\ Invitation\ (Eng).pdf. Where shall I put or upload them?

I think you can upload files on Github?

XadillaX commented 6 years ago

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m3i5nxvwhgaqb1k/COSCon%202018.pdf?dl=0

Here's the PDF. This is a Tentative Agenda.

XadillaX commented 6 years ago

Any plan for this workshop or just reject?

joyeecheung commented 6 years ago

@addaleax @Trott Would any of you be available for this event?

I will be traveling for an entire month before that so I am not sure if I am up for another trip to Shenzhen. In any cases I think having a few mentors and a list of issues is enough to hold a code-and-learn?

ryzokuken commented 6 years ago

Depending on how good I get at it in Vancouver, I could help out with this, but even in the best case scenario I'd probably not be able to do it all by myself.

addaleax commented 6 years ago

This is only a week after Vancouver, and I think that’s going to impact this both in # of available mentors and how quickly we can get the PRs merged… I would not be available myself, no.

BridgeAR commented 6 years ago

I guess I could go there in case nothing urgent comes up for me. This will only make sense though if we are enough mentors on sight. @XadillaX is there an estimate of participant for the Code & Learn?

Trott commented 6 years ago

I can't do it, I'm afraid, although this raises the point that we probably want to plan out what Code + Learn events the Foundation is going to send folks to for 2019 and request a budget. We did that for 2017 and it worked great. I believe we requested a budget for 2018 but all the planning kind of fell apart. It was mostly handled by @hackygolucky in 2017 (or at least she coordinated stuff to make sure other people did stuff?). We had four Foundation-sponsored Code + Learn events in 2017 and are having just two in 2018.

tedliu1 commented 6 years ago

Hi, This is Ted Liu from KAIYUANSHE. We did conduct the 2016 Node.js Live Roadshow Beijing, http://www.kaiyuanshe.cn/interexchange/193.mhtml, together with Node.js Foundation and Microsoft China. The person in charge was Emily Chen, who is a director of the board of KAIYUANSHE and also an Microsoft R&D staff.

It'd be great if you can conduct a Code+Learn session at the upcoming 2018 China Open Source Conference (COSCon'18, Oct. 20-21, Shenzhen, China). The audience size would be around 50-75 persons.

Should you have any questions, please do not hestitate to let me know. I can also be reached thru my email tedliu1@yahoo.com

Ted Liu, Co-founder & chairman of the board of directors, KAIYUANSHE | ASF Member

tedliu1 commented 6 years ago

The audience size mentioned above is referred to the Node.js C+L session at COSCon'18.

XadillaX commented 6 years ago

@BridgeAR we can refer @tedliu1's reply.

XadillaX commented 6 years ago

@Trott sorry to hear that. :(

BridgeAR commented 6 years ago

With that audience size we should likely need about ten mentors. Having less would be frustrating for the attendees.

ryzokuken commented 6 years ago

I guess an important factor here would also be if COSCon is willing to fund the travel etc. for the mentors or if it'll have to be done using foundation/corporate/personal funds.

XadillaX commented 6 years ago

I think I can be there as a mentor.

tedliu1 commented 6 years ago

@ryzokuken We may have some limited travel assistance budget for COSCon'18 for 1 or 2 mentor(s). Alternatively, you may choose to downsize the C+L to half or less, i.e. 25-30 or so and find domestic mentors which we may be able to cover their travel.

XadillaX commented 6 years ago

@ryzokuken Hey, how's @tedliu1's proposal?

DavidCai1111 commented 6 years ago

Maybe I can be there, but I wonder if I should pay the travel fee by myself?

ryzokuken commented 6 years ago

@XadillaX if we downsize C+L to a smaller group of interested individuals as @tedliu1 suggested, we could make this work with fewer mentors, which would be much easier for COSCon to sponsor and for us to organize.

I think we should talk to existing collaborators in China to see if we can get as many as we can there.

/cc @joyeecheung would you be free during that time period?

I'd also love to hear what @BridgeAR has to say because it'd be extremely risky for me to organize anything substantial without a veteran around.

BridgeAR commented 6 years ago

The main preparation can be done from anywhere and IMO the main point is to have enough tasks up front and enough people to help on sight. Besides that it is good to have a good introduction so everyone knows what to do and also some advice before the actual event online (e.g., it's quite important to have node pre compiled). We also have some pins for the first contribution and should get some those. AFAIK @Trott has those at the moment. For the mentors it would also be best to do a code review before the attendees open the actual PR and then immediately give a LG and start the CI if necessary and so on. That way we can handle the load easier and it's nicer for everyone.

@Trott you can probably best highlight points that I missed.

I am not sure where everyone is from. If we could get some more people in China itself, that would be definitely good.

BridgeAR commented 6 years ago

@starkwang @JacksonTian @MoonBall would you be interested in helping out as mentor at the code and learn?

There are also quite a few collaborators in Japan and more in India which is both much nearer than e.g., Europe or the U.S. even though I do not know if the flight prices are cheaper or not (but I guess they are). Should we ask some of those as well?

starkwang commented 6 years ago

I'm just working in Shenzhen so I'd like to be there. But I have no experience in C+L. Is there any guide for the mentor?

ryzokuken commented 6 years ago

@starkwang there's one happening at JSI in Vancouver, so I'm planning to get some hands-on experience there, you can do the same if you're planning to visit. If not, worst case scenario, I think we could setup a call or something and perhaps ask @addaleax and @Trott for advice?

Either way, I think you should totally come if you're free and wish to.

ryzokuken commented 6 years ago

@XadillaX I checked my name in the title as I plan to attend if things work out.

@BridgeAR since you plan to do the same, please check your name as well?

With that, we'll have atleast 5 willing mentors. Anywhere from 5-10 should be good enough for a smaller crowd, I think.

peterremote1980 commented 6 years ago

i have submitted a talk, but no reply

tedliu1 commented 6 years ago

Let me check and revert to you. Best regards,

Ted Liu

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i have submitted a talk, but no reply

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ryzokuken commented 6 years ago

@tedliu1 @XadillaX I don't know the specifics of how visas etc. work in China, but if we're planning to pull this through (I think we already have the minimum number of required mentors and would hopefully have some more people chiming in), I guess now's the right time to start planning stuff and get all the formalities done?

@Trott is there someone from the foundation that needs to be informed of this in advance?

joyeecheung commented 6 years ago

I found an article about visas for Shenzhen on ICVS 2017's website, it may be helpful. For people who need a visa (except the visa on arrival from Hong Kong to Shenzhen) an invitation letter may be necessary.

https://icvs2017.ram-lab.com/attendee/visa/

Trott commented 6 years ago

@Trott is there someone from the foundation that needs to be informed of this in advance?

¯\(ツ)/¯

tedliu1 commented 6 years ago

Hi, May I suggest a quick chat over Zoom at a time convenient to those mentors who can come to sort things out? The link is https://zoom.us/j/6669991980

My Wechat id is tedliu002 for those mentors in China who wish to reach out to me directly.

KAIYUANSHE has used our home-grown "Open Hackathon Cloud Platform" to host many online or on-site hackathons and C+L camps before. All front-end and back-end environment can be pre-installed and configured in advance so that attendees just need a HTML browser to do code-and-learn.

If some mentors cannot come, you may consider doing online mentoring.

tedliu1 commented 6 years ago

@peterremote1980 I checked the CFP submission site but didn't find your entry. Is it this link? https://www.wenjuan.com/s/mmmIRb/

tedliu1 commented 6 years ago

Let me introduce Frank Zhao @Frankzhaopku who is an experienced Node.js developer and he won a MSFT hackathon top prize with a Node.js-based application. Frank is also quite familiar with our "Open Hackathon Cloud Platform". He can be one of the mentor.

XadillaX commented 6 years ago

@ryzokuken so we may keep touch with @tedliu1. Check the process.

ryzokuken commented 6 years ago

@tedliu1 I'm free for a quick chat pretty much all the time, @BridgeAR what time works for you?

XadillaX commented 6 years ago

/ping @BridgeAR

XadillaX commented 6 years ago

The date is coming, I think we should discuss it soon.

ryzokuken commented 6 years ago

@XadillaX if you and @tedliu1 are free on the weekend, I'm open to discussing today, otherwise let's just do it next week. I'll ping @BridgeAR elsewhere to grab his attention.

XadillaX commented 6 years ago

@ryzokuken maybe we can choose a weekday. @tedliu1 how about you?

BridgeAR commented 6 years ago

I just set up a doodle for a call: https://doodle.com/poll/5duz2afq7q9agzb6

tedliu1 commented 6 years ago

would this afternoon, Beijing time, 16:00 or 17:00 a good time for a quick call at Doodle? If not, I'm open tomorrow whole day.

BridgeAR commented 6 years ago

Looking at the doodle it seems like tomorrow, Beijing time, 21:00 would be best.

tedliu1 commented 6 years ago

One bad news here. Due to excessive amount of call-for-paper submission, and there are more hands-on camps applications than we expected. The CFP review team has just approved and finalized the final agenda today and informed me that there is no more timeslot and space available for the Node.js C+L proposed. I guess that means we can only do it next time. Should you feel we should still talk tomorrow night (Beijing time), I'm more than happy to do so.

BridgeAR commented 6 years ago

@tedliu1 we could still have a call just to get aligned a bit for the next year. That way we might start organising it earlier and have a better overview of what is necessary.

tedliu1 commented 6 years ago

OK let's chat tomorrow night then.

Best regards,

Ted Liu, Co-founder & chairman of the board of directors, KAIYUANSHE | ASF Member

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ryzokuken commented 6 years ago

One bad news here.

Not exactly bad news, in my opinion. I'm glad everything worked out for you all. As @BridgeAR said, I'm happy to still stick around for the call to discuss plans for the next year.

BridgeAR commented 6 years ago

@tedliu1 @XadillaX I am not certain what conference calls work for you. Does hangouts work? Or do you maybe use Zoom?

tedliu1 commented 6 years ago

Zoom will be fine. Here is the link: https://zoom.us/j/6669991980 Let's talk tonight at 21:00 PM (Beijing time)

BridgeAR commented 6 years ago

Awesome! Talk to you later.

BridgeAR commented 6 years ago

Here a brief summary of our call:

Participants:

Main questions were:

AFAIK there is no specific requirement for being a mentor. Normally it is just a Node.js collaborator as they have a deep knowledge in it. Anyone who calls them self an Node expert should be able to be a mentor.

The main things mentors helped out with were building Node.js on various devices as people ran into issues compiling it. We ask participants to pre-compile Node.js but this is still the main reason for a slow down and where people struggle with.

The task that the people solved were mainly easier ones for multiple reasons: a) everyone should have a good start and solving the task is good for that. b) it is not easy to find lots and lots of tasks that are intuitive for everyone. @Trott might have more reasons.

So one of the most important things is to find enough tasks up front that everyone is able to solve and to have some extra ones that are a little bit more challenging. Each task should be unique so no participant has to worry about conflicts after opening the PR.

Older PRs from such events can be found here: https://github.com/nodejs/node/pulls?q=is%3Apr+label%3Acode-and-learn+is%3Aclosed

As can be seen, most of those only deal with JS code and not C++. But there is no specific reason for having either a JS or C++ focus and both could be propagated to the participants.

@tedliu1 also mentioned earlier more hackathon style events that took place in a purely remote fashion. It would be nice if we could set up something similar for some Code & Learn events in the beginning of next year. That way not every mentor would have to travel to china and could still help out by using Zoom or something similar. Details should follow when starting to plan that event.

I hope I summarized everything correct and provided enough information. If there is anything else open, please let me know.