Closed brillout closed 7 months ago
Is that on Node.js's radar?
You can see multiple pull request already working on it and most of them are merged.
The first iteration of Symbol.dispose
is released on 20.4.0
, but the using
keyword requires v8
support.
https://bugs.chromium.org/p/v8/issues/detail?id=13559
https://bugs.chromium.org/p/v8/issues/detail?id=13879
Very neat.
the
using
keyword requiresv8
support.
Makes sense. A workaround is to use TypeScript 5.2 which supports using
.
Would such a cleanup work even when v8 crashes like in heap out of memory cases, e.g. when no JS execution is possible any more.
Would such a cleanup work even when v8 crashes like in heap out of memory cases, e.g. when no JS execution is possible any more.
Probably not
Would such a cleanup work even when v8 crashes like in heap out of memory cases, e.g. when no JS execution is possible any more.
Probably not
I guess it would if the cleanup is performed in C++. That would be a truly reliable way for cleanup as the process exit
hook is not triggered on V8 crash, but I guess another way to declare the resources will be needed as JS can not execute anymore then unless v8 is restarted which I would not advice to do.
Hey,
Great to see users are asking for this!
As others have mentioned this is "on the roadmap" and we started adding Symbol.dispose
and Symbol.asyncDispose
support to all APIs. You can using
timers, readable streams, file handles and mock timers so far.
We've done this in collaboration with the TypeScript team and coordination with Babel so users in transpilers would be able to benefit from it before V8 lands the syntactic support.
When the process crashes, electricity goes down or another catastrophic failure happens you cannot rely on disposers running. It is effectively a safer/neater alternative for try... finally
.
When the process crashes, electricity goes down or another catastrophic failure happens you cannot rely on disposers running. It is effectively a safer/neater alternative for try... finally.
Is there a difference between v8 crashing and node crashing? Couldn't node still run cleanup before exiting in case of v8 crash?
I'm wondering if we should ship a defer
helper since you can absolutely await using
the file in your case which would close it but you would have to wrap it or try/finally it in order to also unlink it.
Is there a difference between v8 crashing and node crashing? Couldn't node still run cleanup before exiting in case of v8 crash?
My point is that users cannot rely on app-level cleanup code running in all cases since we (and any other platform) cannot guarantee that it will run. There are some cases where cleanup will run (e.g. unhandled rejection since it would propagate through the stack and disposers would run) and some cases where they won't (e.g. segfault).
What APIs would you expect support in other than streams/files @brillout ?
Thanks for the ping. My only use case so far is clear up of temporary files, but I'm sure there are other use cases that I can't think of right now.
(Unrelated but since you're Node.js member, I wonder whether the Node.js team can influence the outcome of https://github.com/npm/rfcs/issues/665? It's a really bad situation. It's causing massive pain on a daily basis to Node.js users. If we can find a solution that would significantly address the reputation of "JavaScript is a mess".)
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Are there any docs on this? Googling Symbol.dispose site:https://nodejs.org
or using keyword site:https://nodejs.org
doesn't lead to any relevant docs.
Does the latest Node.js version support (somehwat) guaranteed temporary file removal?
These are the only references I could find, not much to go off, its basically so new that there are no docs about it: https://nodejs.org/api/timers.html#immediatesymboldispose https://nodejs.org/api/events.html#eventsaddabortlistenersignal-listener https://nodejs.org/api/child_process.html#subprocesssymboldispose https://github.com/search?q=repo%3Anodejs%2Fnode+symbol.dispose&type=code
@luchillo17 note that for some cases we expose Symbol.asyncDispose where appropriate https://nodejs.org/api/stream.html#readablesymbolasyncdispose
The main issue in terms of DX is that because we're a JS and not a TS runtime our docs are for JS and thus we don't have good examples until this lands in JS land.
@benjamingr Worry not, I'm not gunning for this feature just yet, I know tc39 is in stage 3 draft, I just came here out of curiosity as someone was showing it in the context of a TS unit test for teardown logic.
Is there anything available for deleting temporary files? This would quite nice for both Vite and Vike. (Temporary files not being cleaned up is a common issue.)
@brillout I maintain a package (tmp-promise) with a disposer pattern that could use an update but I'm not aware of anything in core.
I think we can probably ship a promises disposable version of mkdtemp if that's common enough
(also TIL about vike, happy 10000 to me I guess :))
Neat. Yea, I guess it needs to be a core thing, so that Node.js knows it should apply the cleanup if, for example, the user terminates the process by hitting ctrl-c
before the disposable resolves.
(Thank you, I'm glad Vike resonates with you :))
What is the problem this feature will solve?
Today, there isn't a way to guarantee resource cleanup. For example:
If the process exits between
fs.openSync()
and thefinally
code block, then the file isn't removed.What is the feature you are proposing to solve the problem?
While a 100% guarantee isn't possible, leveraging the new
using
keyword, there is an opportunity to dramatically increase the probability of successful resource cleanup.Is that on Node.js's radar?
What alternatives have you considered?
No response