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Workshop length & start time #5

Closed robertkowalski closed 8 years ago

robertkowalski commented 8 years ago

Hi!

I am preparing a small website for the nodeschool and I wonder how long our workshop should be. I would suggest that it should not take longer than 6 hours, as the mentors and mentees get tired.

I also don't know at which time we should start. When does the location open and how long?

olemis commented 8 years ago

+1 ... ideally three hours in the morning and three in the afternoon ? BTW , what will be the subjects ?

@elMor3no has the other answers .

elMor3no commented 8 years ago

This is an draft of the schedule.... Actividades
Hora
09:00 – 09:50 Breakfast / Opening Session
10:00 – 10:50 Keynote
11:00 – 12:45 WorkShop / Sprints
12:45 – 14:00 Lunch
14:00 – 17:45 WorkShop / Sprints WorkShop / Sprints WorkShop / Sprints 17:45 – 18:30 Closing Session

2016-01-29 10:16 GMT-05:00, Olemis Lang notifications@github.com:

+1 ... ideally three hours in the morning and three in the afternoon ? BTW , what will be the subjects ?

@elMor3no has the other answers .

Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/nodeschool/havana/issues/5#issuecomment-176803769

robertkowalski commented 8 years ago

ah, cool! so we have a block of 2:25 hr and one block of 3:45

the attendees should have node.js installed on their machines, because our time is limited.

I think it makes sense to work on the "javascript basics" and "nodejs basics" workshoppers. you can see them here: http://nodeschool.io/es/#workshopper-list

here are more informations about workshopper: http://nodeschool.io/es/about.html

olemis commented 8 years ago

I would not take this for granted , not because people are lazy , but especially due to the fact that internet access is problematic . The most practical approach I'd suggest consists in :

@elMor3no is it possible to have a local Ubuntu repository (if possible with multiple versions) deployed at the venue ?

elMor3no commented 8 years ago

We can have a Ubuntu/Debian Repository.

Anyway is important if we have all the possible thing we will have off line or in a local server with wifi

2016-01-29 17:10 GMT-05:00, Olemis Lang notifications@github.com:

I would not take this for granted , not because people are lazy , but especially due to the fact that internet access is problematic . The most practical approach I'd suggest consists in :

  • create a (Virtualbox?) VM for the workshop with Vagrant (or alike)
  • Ensure it is equipped with everything needed for the workshop .
  • offer it for download (online and via a local WiFi network deployed at the venue)
  • offer Vagrant packages for different platforms for download as well

@elMor3no is it possible to have a local Ubuntu repository (if possible with multiple versions) deployed at the venue ?

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olemis commented 8 years ago

I noticed that my previous message might be confusing .

@robertkowalski when I said "I would not take this for granted" this was related to "the attendees should have node.js installed on their machines" . I'm ok with the two subjects you proposed . I'd really like to see the functional programming workshop included ... but I guess there will be no much time to so ?

olemis commented 8 years ago

@robertkowalski besides, if you decide to do so (prepare the VM , etc ...) please let us know of the versions of Ubuntu/Debian/other OS, Virtualbox (or any other virtualization tool you choose), and Vagrant so that we all be in sync . Thanks in advance !

robertkowalski commented 8 years ago

@olemis we can also offer the functional programming workshop, attendees are able to pick from the three workshoppers based on their skills then. did you already take a look at the functional workshopper to get a feeling for the tasks?

@olemis @elMor3no:

olemis commented 8 years ago

the functional workshop ? really ? @elMor3no is there enough time ?

olemis commented 8 years ago

about the workshoppers , consider it done by next week

about potential mentors , we'll have a meeting on Feb 13th and I'm hoping others will join us .

Regards

robertkowalski commented 8 years ago

@olemis I would not expect that we have enough time for people to finish all three during the event. but they could chose between the three based on their skillset. if we have advanced users they are probably bored by the JS fundamentals workshop. does that make sense?

robertkowalski commented 8 years ago

@olemis cool that is great to hear! :)

elMor3no commented 8 years ago

El 03/02/16 19:17, Olemis Lang escribió:

the functional workshop ? really ? @elMor3no https://github.com/elMor3no is there enough time ?

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How much time will take?

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robertkowalski commented 8 years ago

@elMor3no how much time an attendee needs to complete a workshopper strongly depends on the attendee's skill set and previous experience. many people don't finish one workshopper during a whole day and that is perfectly ok.

it is also depending on the skill set of the attendees which workshops we can offer to them. a experienced JS developer will be bored by the JS fundamentals workshopper, but probably be interested in something like the functional programming workshopper. I would expect a mixed group of people (some with no experience at all and some experienced). we should not demand that everyone has to do the JS fundamentals workshop, when it would bore them.

a person who has never used javascript will probably be a bit overwhelmed in the beginning and need some more help to get started. i would not expect them to finish the two workshoppers and then start the functional workshopper right after it.

elMor3no commented 8 years ago

El 05/02/16 12:00, Robert Kowalski escribió:

@elMor3no https://github.com/elMor3no how much time an attendee needs to complete a workshopper strongly depends on the attendee's skill set and previous experience. many people don't finish one workshopper during a whole day and that is perfectly ok.

it is also depending on the skill set of the attendees which workshops we /can/ offer to them. a experienced JS developer will be bored by the JS fundamentals workshopper, but probably be interested in something like the functional programming workshopper. I would expect a mixed group of people (some with no experience at all and some experienced). we should not demand that everyone has to do the JS fundamentals workshop, when it would bore them.

a person who has never used javascript will probably be a bit overwhelmed in the beginning and need some more help to get started. i would not expect them to finish the two workshoppers and then start the functional workshopper right after it.

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Ok

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aurium commented 8 years ago

Hi folks! Let's detail the schedule? When agreed we must convert this into a file.

[nodesclass themes]

We should define a list of WorkShop / Sprints themes. If you agree, we can discuss this in a new thread and conclude with a file. I'm thinking on big areas like "modularize", "Async", "HTTP", "TDD", so the attendants can focus on they interests.

olemis commented 8 years ago

Hi @aurium ! IMHO this ticket is perfect to discuss workshop / sprint themes .

At some point we have concluded that, considering time, it'd be nice to focus on no more than three workshops . So far we've been thinking of offering learyounode , javascripting and the functional js workshops .

I wish we could offer all them NodeSchool workshops but , for a matter of sticking to schedule , we should limit our efforts to three (that's a fact) . The first two mentioned above should be carved in stone considering that it's the first edition in Havana and these are introductory subjects . I proposed the third one because by that date David Mertz (chair of the PSF Scientific Python WG ) will be talking at another similar event about Functional Programming in Python . Hence there was a connection between the junior-level NodeSchool courses , the advanced-level functional programming workshop , the aforementioned talk and the Brython sprint we plan to run on April 27th 2016 to "fill the gap" between them all .

p.s. I do not know about big JS names attending CubaConf ; nonetheless AFAIK ( @elMor3no CMIIW ) that's not a requisite to keynote . Initially I thought this was the case , but it seems the goals are different in this particular case . I'm hoping @elMor3no can tell us more about this .

aurium commented 8 years ago

@olemis I see. It is ok to me, but...

We have 4 WorkShop scheduled times. Starting with "JS fundamentals" (the javascripting) at morning still a good idea for you?

And about the other 3 afternoon WorkShops? We will have N 1:5 groups with the same theme at the same time; or we'll mix the themes on each time, splitting by group? I see benefits of mixing, however i vote on the first option. So... I believe HTTP is a very important theme and we can do a nice and simple introduction. So, we can get 3 themes for 3 WorkShops at afternoon.

As i'm new in this group, sorry if this question is boring. I'm ok with your decision about this proposal. (whichever it'll be)

olemis commented 8 years ago

@aurium we are all new in this group and I'm under the impression that , no matter the seniority , we all should be at the same level when it comes to this kind of decisions . Ideally attendees should be able to tell us they preferences via a web form or something .

In my previous message I was just explaining why I suggested running the functional workshop to @robertkowalski once upon a time , and I know a few people interested on that subject . We can do different than that if attendees so prefer .

Nonetheless, in any case, I see javascript + learnyounode combo coming first , and after that it'd be nice to have one or two advanced subjects . My question is , aren't HTTP and Async part of learnyounode workshop ? Another targets I know people might be interested in are learnyoureact and Thinking in React workshops. Something about Angular 1 or 2 would be very nice to have . Unless we can prepare everything to work offline , it seems to me that npm workshop would be difficult because working offline is a quite probable situation .

Finally I'm not sure about running git-it . I do not know of how proficient with git attendees are meant to be (... but again we could have a preliminary idea by setting up a web form) . What d'u think @elMor3no ?

olemis commented 8 years ago

Maybe we could run in parallel a special session of git-it for n00bs ? If so, we'd need more mentors !

phinfonet commented 8 years ago

I can try to create a local server using my raspberry pi and create a local connection using a router or anything like that =D

olemis commented 8 years ago

@aurium ... which means that javascripting in the morning looks fine . I am not sure about same theme vs mixing themes + splitting .

elMor3no commented 8 years ago

El 22/02/16 11:08, Aurélio A. Heckert escribió:

@olemis https://github.com/olemis I see. It is ok to me, but...

We have 4 WorkShop scheduled times. Starting with "JS fundamentals" (the javascripting https://github.com/sethvincent/javascripting) at morning still a good idea for you?

And about the other 3 afternoon WorkShops? We will have N 1:5 groups with the same theme at the same time; or we'll mix the themes on each time, splitting by group? I see benefits of mixing, however i vote on the first option. So... I believe HTTP is a very important theme and we can do a nice and simple introduction. So, we can get 3 themes for 3 WorkShops at afternoon.

As i'm new in this group, sorry if this question is boring. I'm ok with your decision about this proposal. /(whichever it'll be)/

Ok...

The schedule for the 3rd day will have diferents activities: Workshops, Sprints, small talks, meetings...

The NodeJS WorksShop is one of diferent activities at the same time. We will have one rooms during all day after the Keynote.

robertkowalski commented 8 years ago

I really like the idea to use the morning in order to teach JavaScript fundamentals to people who are completely new to JavaScript. We did this at the first Nodeschool in Hamburg. Everyone who already knew JS would then join us after lunch.

The Nodeschool event in Hamburg would let people pick the workshoppers they like. We had one big group, it had all the folks new to JS and new to Node. The workshoppers the people in the group were working on were naturally the "JS fundamentals" and the "learnyounode" workshopper. This group required the most help from the mentors which were hovering around the room.

We additionally had several smaller groups, these folks were already using Node and wanted to try something like the Webservers or Functional Programming workshopper. The groups did not need much help from the mentors and the members of the group were able to help each other in case of a question. And sometimes we weren't able to help them, because the workshoppers they were working on were too special and we also did not know the exact answer.

elMor3no commented 8 years ago

El 22/02/16 16:28, Robert Kowalski escribió:

I really like the idea to use the morning in order to teach JavaScript fundamentals to people who are completely new to JavaScript. We did this at the first Nodeschool in Hamburg. Everyone who already knew JS would then join us after lunch. Evens we can ask to the people who already know JS to helps us like a mentor...

olemis commented 8 years ago

So, in the end ... what workshoppers are we going to offer ?

olemis commented 8 years ago

Conf is over . Thanks !