Single ttf for all languages

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

Hi,

Is it possible to include the characters of all the languages in a single ttf 
file?
For example, if I use NotoSans-Regular.ttf I am able to print characters for 
Bulgarian, Czech, Danish, Dutch, Finnish, French, German, Estonian, Greek, 
Hungarian, Icelandic, Macedonian, Russian, Polish, Portuguese, Vietnamese and 
Turkish. But not for Arabic, Hindi, Bengali, Japanese, Mandarin, Hebrew and 
Catonese.

I can use only a single ttf file.

Regards

Original issue reported on code.google.com by akanksha...@gmail.com on 2 Sep 2013 at 4:38

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

Hi Akanksha,

We are planning on merging individual scripts/languages into merged fonts. 
However, there will not be one single giant NotoSans font. Instead, there will 
be a NotoSansSouthAsian font that will combine the glyphs for supporting all 
South Asian languages/script plus have some basic Latin in it.

Will this work for you?

Original comment by tha...@gmail.com on 12 Sep 2013 at 8:29

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

Hi,

Yes I think it will work.
I can check what characters i'm getting as input and use the respective font 
file for printing those characters in the PDF. But right now i have to use too 
many font files.
With one font file for some group of fonts, I think it will help alot.

Regards

Original comment by akanksha...@gmail.com on 17 Sep 2013 at 5:08

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

To expand on Thaths comments, there are some technical limitations on how many 
characters (more accurately glyphs) can be in one font. There are also 
limitations on merging scripts that have metrics that aren't really compatible 
(line heights and such). That will limit the extent to which we can merge the 
scripts into larger groupings.

Original comment by stua...@google.com on 17 Sep 2013 at 6:33

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

Original comment by stua...@google.com on 17 Sep 2013 at 6:34

Added labels: Type-Enhancement
Removed labels: Type-Defect

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

Hi Stuart,

I actually really have no experience in font development.So, I do not know what 
is possible and what is not. And if it is not possible to have a single font 
file, I can always fix my problem with little bit of programming :)

Thanks for creating these fonts :)
Any new fonts coming in next few weeks?

Regards

Original comment by akanksha...@gmail.com on 18 Sep 2013 at 3:31

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

Original comment by roozbeh@google.com on 26 Dec 2013 at 9:19

Changed state: Started

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

Another reason why a single font resource cannot be used is because all modern 
font formats, such as TrueType and OpenType, limit the number of glyphs to 64K. 
Unicode currently includes well over 100K characters, meaning that multiple 
font resources are a necessity. Also, and in my nearly 25 years of font 
development experience, it is best to include glyphs for related scripts in a 
single font resources. Such fonts tend to work better in a broader set of 
environments.

Original comment by ken.lu...@gmail.com on 31 Jul 2014 at 7:24

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

Hi guys,

Can you support on the fly font combination? So that, if need support English, 
Vietnamese, Chinese, Japanese and Malay, just select the fonts and download 
result ttf file.

I use 'flying saucer' to render PDF. This one does not support font-family 
fallback, so that it's critical to have all fonts in a single file.

By the way, i think for all fonts, you should include English.

Thanks,

Original comment by bmk...@gmail.com on 4 Aug 2014 at 11:11

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

Closing as we can't do single TTF. For merging parts of Noto, you can use 
https://code.google.com/p/noto/source/browse/nototools/merge_noto.py and modify 
it for your specific needs.

Original comment by roozbeh@google.com on 14 Sep 2014 at 6:15

Changed state: WontFix

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

Hi guys,
How can I get NotoSansSouthAsian font?

Thanks

Original comment by Ortikimi on 30 Sep 2014 at 6:48

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

Issue 156 has been merged into this issue.

Original comment by roozbeh@google.com on 3 Oct 2014 at 6:21

klokan commented 8 years ago

Technically, it should be possible to make a single huge multi-language TTF font file with a subset of the glyphs available in Noto. An example of how to encode such font could be the 23MB TTF file of "Arial Unicode MS": https://www.microsoft.com/typography/fonts/font.aspx?fmid=1081

Would it be possible to prepare a script which extracts a selection of the glyphs and generates a similar single TTF output - which could serve as a replacement of Arial Unicode MS?

For web and standard desktop use - this is not required, but there are applications such as OpenGL games / maps / embedded devices, etc where a single font is extremely practical. Any hints where to start?

roozbehp commented 8 years ago

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 6:08 AM, Petr Pridal notifications@github.com wrote:

Any hints where to start?

https://github.com/googlei18n/nototools/blob/master/nototools/merge_noto.py

Naamani commented 7 years ago

I used the script and it works great. The only problem is I can't add CJK (Simplified Chinese, Traditional Chinese, Japanese, and Korean) which I must. These are OTF files(not TTF), because of the many characters. Is there a way to add a support for these languages as well, at least as Arial Unicode MS provides? We really wand to use NOTO instead of it. Regards.

c933103 commented 7 years ago

Can it be done in a format of Super OTC? Like in https://blogs.adobe.com/CCJKType/2017/04/three-multiple-family-super-otcs.html , different style of noto CJK fonts as well as source han fonts have been piut together as a single Super OTC font which contain hundreds of different fonts, I think that can also be done with numerous other noto fonts included?

dougfelt commented 7 years ago

OTC is a packaging format to put multiple fonts in a single file. To your operating system and apps it still looks like multiple fonts.

There is a hard maximum of 64K characters and 64K glyphs imposed by current standard font technology. All means for exceeding this limit rely on use of multiple fonts "under the covers" using an algorithmic font selection/fallback mechanism. If your application/operating system does not provide this mechanism, you cannot get around it by building a bigger font.

c933103 commented 7 years ago

but as what the OP asking was a single-file-install for noto fonts, I suppose packaging multiple fonts together in one file would fulfill what is being asked?

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There is a hard maximum of 64K characters and 64K glyphs imposed by current standard font technology. All means for exceeding this limit rely on use of multiple fonts "under the covers" using an algorithmic font selection/fallback mechanism. If your application/operating system does not provide this mechanism, you cannot get around it by building a bigger font.

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dougfelt commented 7 years ago

It is not clear to me that OP was asking simply for different packaging. Recent discussion has been about creating a 'single ttf font' along the lines of Ariel Unicode MS, which is actually a single font. The problem there is we have both CFF and TT glyph outline data in our current fonts, and at different units-per-em. There can also be the issue of fonts for some scripts having a different ascent/descent, and how to resolve this acceptably. Merging them is not straightforward.

I don't believe there is any problem creating a TTC from mixed technology like this, though I haven't tried. We use Adobe's AFDKO tools (otf2otc). If this is acceptable perhaps OP can try that.

satishchitimoju commented 6 years ago

Hi, Can anyone send the multi language arial font ttf file.

davelab6 commented 6 years ago

No, you'll need to obtain a licensed copy.

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ArchangeGabriel commented 6 years ago

One problem of having so many font files is that when I try to select the font I want to use in any editor, I’ve got a very long list because of all the Noto files. I don’t know in which extent this could be solved, but it would be nice if that was possible.

I suppose that modifying the standard to go above 64k glyphs per font file is not possible?

davelab6 commented 6 years ago

Just noticed https://github.com/klokantech/klokantech-gl-fonts when searching Google.com for this issue - a fork of Noto with merged fonts :)

ceztko commented 5 years ago

I read this:

Instead, there will be a NotoSansSouthAsian font that will combine the glyphs for supporting all South Asian languages/script plus have some basic Latin in it.

Is this region merging still planned?

trojanobelix commented 5 years ago

Sorry, I can not use it on my embedded system without a single ttf for all languages. Any plans on it?

brawer commented 5 years ago

Try this script; also, see the comments earlier on this thread for forks with pre-built fonts.

SinghS-ELS-CT commented 3 years ago

When we use NotoSans-Bengali font. if we have english characters between Bengali language.it is not displaying correctly.it is showing as tofu.

lamuertepeluda commented 3 years ago

@brawer I tried that script and it is very buggy 😞 . I am not a true expert with Python nor with fonts, but the requirements look somehow messy here, and I could not really find any instructions.

I am using Python 3.9.2 on Ubuntu 20.04.

Had also to rename gcc and g++ to gcc-5 and g++5 at some point (using ln -s)

sudo ln -s /bin/gcc /bin/gcc-5
sudo ln -s /bin/g++ /bin/g++-5

The closest I got to make it work was checking out commit fc6dec9dd74a00114ff11280333d3f5ded7c08a7 and then

pip3 install fontmake fonttools
python3  build_merged_noto.py

it started building stuff before getting this. With the latest commit it will break as soon as it starts, perhaps because some font was renamed.

  File "/home/linuxbrew/.linuxbrew/bin/fontmake", line 8, in <module>
    sys.exit(main())
  File "/home/linuxbrew/.linuxbrew/opt/python@3.9/lib/python3.9/site-packages/fontmake/__main__.py", line 482, in main
    project.run_from_glyphs(glyphs_path, **args)
  File "/home/linuxbrew/.linuxbrew/opt/python@3.9/lib/python3.9/site-packages/fontmake/font_project.py", line 700, in run_from_glyphs
    designspace_path = self.build_master_ufos(
  File "/home/linuxbrew/.linuxbrew/opt/python@3.9/lib/python3.9/site-packages/fontTools/misc/loggingTools.py", line 372, in wrapper
    return func(*args, **kwds)
  File "/home/linuxbrew/.linuxbrew/opt/python@3.9/lib/python3.9/site-packages/fontmake/font_project.py", line 169, in build_master_ufos
    designspace = glyphsLib.to_designspace(
  File "/home/linuxbrew/.linuxbrew/opt/python@3.9/lib/python3.9/site-packages/glyphsLib/builder/__init__.py", line 111, in to_designspace
    return builder.designspace
  File "/home/linuxbrew/.linuxbrew/opt/python@3.9/lib/python3.9/site-packages/glyphsLib/builder/builders.py", line 302, in designspace
    list(self.masters)  # Make sure that the UFOs are built
  File "/home/linuxbrew/.linuxbrew/opt/python@3.9/lib/python3.9/site-packages/glyphsLib/builder/builders.py", line 258, in masters
    self.to_ufo_glyph(ufo_glyph, layer, layer.parent)
  File "/home/linuxbrew/.linuxbrew/opt/python@3.9/lib/python3.9/site-packages/glyphsLib/builder/glyph.py", line 140, in to_ufo_glyph
    self.to_ufo_glyph_background(ufo_glyph, layer)
  File "/home/linuxbrew/.linuxbrew/opt/python@3.9/lib/python3.9/site-packages/glyphsLib/builder/glyph.py", line 314, in to_ufo_glyph_background
    new_glyph = ufo_layer.newGlyph(glyph.name)
  File "/home/linuxbrew/.linuxbrew/opt/python@3.9/lib/python3.9/site-packages/ufoLib2/objects/layer.py", line 296, in newGlyph
    raise KeyError(f"glyph named '{name}' already exists")
KeyError: "glyph named 'soSua-thai' already exists"
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/vito/Development/noto-source/build_merged_noto.py", line 178, in <module>
    build_family('NotoSerif')
  File "/home/vito/Development/noto-source/build_merged_noto.py", line 32, in build_family
    build_master(source)
  File "/home/vito/Development/noto-source/build_merged_noto.py", line 133, in build_master
    assert status == 0, 'command failed: %s' % command
AssertionError: command failed: fontmake -g src/NotoSerifThai-MM.glyphs -o ttf-interpolatable

A pity Google does not provide an already all-merged version of this font, since these python scripts (like most python code around the internet) are very hard to reproduce on different machines.

satbyy commented 2 years ago

This issue was created 6 years ago, yet we're here. So I took the matter into my own hands.

Announcing Go Noto Universal fonts! It provides pre-built, region-specific TTFs for South Asia, South East Asia, Middle East & Africa, and Europe-Americas. Also, the source code is included so that you can generate them yourself.

I've spent considerable time trying workarounds and merging the fonts. Hope you guys find it useful! Any feedback or issues, please comment in the other repo (not here).

Thanks, Satish

twardoch commented 2 years ago

This is very useful, and uses the approach I was thinking of myself (per-region/script type merge). Very cool, many thanks for doing the research & work! I'll raise this with the Noto team.

tqh28 commented 2 years ago

This issue was created 6 years ago, yet we're here. So I took the matter into my own hands.

Announcing Go Noto Universal fonts! It provides pre-built, region-specific TTFs for South Asia, South East Asia, Middle East & Africa, and Europe-Americas. Also, the source code is included so that you can generate them yourself.

I've spent considerable time trying workarounds and merging the fonts. Hope you guys find it useful! Any feedback or issues, please comment in the other repo (not here).

Thanks, Satish

very very powerful, many thank your effort

metrey commented 2 years ago

Hi Akanksha,

We are planning on merging individual scripts/languages into merged fonts. 
However, there will not be one single giant NotoSans font. Instead, there will 
be a NotoSansSouthAsian font that will combine the glyphs for supporting all 
South Asian languages/script plus have some basic Latin in it.

Will this work for you?

Original comment by tha...@gmail.com on 12 Sep 2013 at 8:29

That would be good, is there way for us to select few font of different languages to merge ? such as Khmer, Chinese Simplify, English ?

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