[Community Review] Pre-discussion: 4th NumbersDAO voting topic community review

[sofiayan0523]

Topic: Should Numbers look to open up the validator set and implement delegated PoS?

Overview

Today, we embark on a journey of exploration and discussion surrounding an important decision that lies at the heart of our decentralized ecosystem. We are here to deliberate on the question of whether Numbers should open up its validator set to the wider community.

At Numbers Protocol, we deeply value our community and the principles of decentralization. Our shared vision is to build a robust and resilient network that empowers its participants, enables secure transactions, and fosters trust. The selection of validators plays a critical role in achieving these goals within a proof-of-stake blockchain. Currently, our validator slots are permissions and limited to Numbers partners. However, we believe it is time to open up the discussion and consider the advantages and challenges of embracing a more inclusive approach.

This article will examine the pros and cons of allowing access to the current permission Numbers blockchain validator set and implementing a delegated proof-of-stake (PoS) mechanism, similar to other prominent layer-1 blockchains. We aim to provide you with an impartial analysis that equips you with the necessary information to understand the dialogue that will take place during the upcoming DAO meeting. Remember, this article is not meant to sway your opinion but rather to foster dialogue and broaden our collective understanding.

So, let us delve into the intricacies of decentralizing the validator set and explore its potential impact on our community, protocol, and Numbers' future.

Decentralizing the validator set

Before diving into the discussion around decentralizing the validator set, first, we will outline what a validators role is within a proof-of-stake blockchain:

In Proof of Stake blockchains, validators are selected to produce the next block based on their stake in the network token. These validators will stake some of NUM tokens and run software that allows them to produce and approve blocks. Although often designed with random functions to prevent a front-running consensus, a larger amount staked by a validator could give them a higher chance of producing the next block. Proposed blocks by validators are then propagated to the rest of the set, who verify and add the approved block to the blockchain.

In the current implementation of the Numbers Blockchain, these validator slots are permissions and only accessible to Numbers partners.

Community and decentralization are core values of Numbers Protocol, and with these values in mind, we have decided to open up the discussion around allowing access to the currently permissioned Numbers blockchain validator set and implementing a delegated proof-of-stake (PoS) mechanism, similar to other popular layer-1 blockchains.

This community article aims to outline the pros and cons of opening the validator set to the community:

Pros

• Opening the validator set is in-line with the core values of Numbers Protocol, which are community and decentralization
• Allows for NUM stakers to delegate their stake to a validator of their choice to share in validation rewards
• Adds additional utility for the NUM token, as this token will be required to be staked and risks slashing in the case of harmful behavior
• Allows for additional rewards for those community members who want to validate the Numbers Blockchain
• Increases decentralization and attack resilience in the event of a malicious validator attacking the network

Cons

• Current validators are permissioned strategic partners of Numbers Protocol, which includes AVAX. By opening the validator set, this opens the door to higher chances of bad actors. Once implemented this action is irreversible, as the validator set will become permissionless and there is no way to remove all new validators.
• Opening the validator set will require technical resources and costs from Numbers Protocol revenues
• Running a validator will require technical expertise on the community members part to run effectively and without downtime in addition to a sizeable stake in NUM

Numbers is actively working with its partner network to assign more utility to the NUM token and work towards a more decentralized future. This article aims at opening the discussion between the community if a decentralized validator set is something that would like to be explored.

Conclusion

Ultimately, the decision to decentralize the validator set within Numbers Protocol is one of great significance and should not be taken lightly. As we assess the advantages and challenges of such a step, we must remain steadfast in our commitment to community and decentralization, which lie at the core of our protocol.

By opening up the validator set, we can embrace a more inclusive approach that empowers NUM stakers to delegate their stake, share in validation rewards, and contribute to the robustness of our blockchain. This move enhances the utility of the NUM token and fortifies the network's resilience against malicious attacks. However, we must be mindful of the additional risks that come with decentralization, such as potential bad actors and the technical resources required to support a larger validator set.

Numbers Protocol remains neutral in this discussion. We encourage all stakeholders to engage in open dialogue and share their perspectives.

Together, let us shape the future of Numbers Protocol as we work towards a more decentralized and inclusive ecosystem driven by the collective wisdom of our community. Your voice matters, and we eagerly anticipate the outcome of this crucial decision.

Thank you for being an integral part of the Numbers Protocol journey!

Entering Community Review

Just like previous DAO meetings topics, this Numbers Governance Proposal will undergo community review until June 20. During this time, we encourage the Numbers community to share your thoughts and concerns on GitHub issues and discuss this proposal openly on our many social channels. We look forward to hearing your feedback!

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[Doc-Goodluck]

For me, my app works perfectly well. I'm using Redmi 8 so I have no problem although I noticed that the some finds it hard downloading/using the CaptureApp due to the type of phone they are using.

My humble suggestion is let the team try to make the app accessable by all android phones

[ethanwu155]

For me, my app works perfectly well. I'm using Redmi 8 so I have no problem although I noticed that the some finds it hard downloading/using the CaptureApp due to the type of phone they are using.

My humble suggestion is let the team try to make the app accessable by all android phones

@Doc-Goodluck i believe this comment was placed in teh wrong GitHub Issue thread. This thread is the Community Review for the June Numbers DAO meeting.

The topic for this meeting is: Should Numbers open up mainnet validators to the community.

If you have time, we would love to hear your thoughts and opinions on this topic. If you have questions feel free to share them as well.

[TylerDylan]

Based on the provided information, it seems that opening up the validator set and implementing delegated proof-of-stake (PoS) could be a favorable decision for Numbers. Here are the reasons supporting this stance:

Pros:

Alignment with core values: Opening the validator set and embracing decentralization aligns with the core values of Numbers Protocol, which prioritize community involvement and decentralization. It allows for greater participation and empowers community members to contribute to the network's validation process.

Delegation and rewards: Allowing NUM token holders to delegate their stake to validators of their choice introduces a mechanism for sharing in validation rewards. This incentivizes token holders to actively participate and stake their NUM tokens, adding utility to the token itself.

Increased utility and risk mitigation: Requiring the staking of NUM tokens and the possibility of slashing in the case of harmful behavior adds utility to the token. It also acts as a deterrent against malicious actions, as validators risk losing their staked tokens if they engage in harmful behavior. This can contribute to a more secure and trustworthy network.

Decentralization and resilience: Opening the validator set to the wider community increases decentralization and enhances the network's resilience against malicious attacks. By distributing the validation power among a larger set of validators, the network becomes less susceptible to control by a single entity or a small group of validators.

Cons:

Potential for bad actors: Opening up the validator set does introduce the possibility of bad actors entering the network. Currently, the validator set consists of permissioned strategic partners who have undergone vetting. With open access, there is a higher chance of malicious validators being included. This risk needs to be carefully managed to ensure the network's security.

Technical resources and costs: Opening the validator set and supporting a larger number of validators would require additional technical resources and incur costs for Numbers Protocol. The infrastructure and support needed for an expanded validator set should be carefully considered to maintain a reliable and robust network.

In conclusion, opening up the validator set and implementing delegated PoS appears to have several benefits for Numbers Protocol. It aligns with the core values of community and decentralization, introduces delegation and rewards, increases utility and risk mitigation, and enhances network decentralization and resilience. However, the potential risks of bad actors and the technical requirements and costs should be thoroughly addressed. It is essential for the community to engage in open dialogue, share perspectives, and carefully consider the implications before making a final decision.

[Nezukokamado11]

The decision to open up the validator set and implement delegated proof-of-stake (PoS) in Numbers Protocol is a crucial one that requires careful consideration. Here is my analysis of the topic:

Pros:

1. Alignment with core values: Opening up the validator set and embracing decentralization is in line with the core values of Numbers Protocol, which prioritize community involvement and decentralization. It allows for greater participation and empowers community members to contribute to the network's validation process.

2. Delegation and rewards: Allowing NUM token holders to delegate their stake to validators of their choice introduces a mechanism for sharing in validation rewards. This incentivizes token holders to actively participate and stake their NUM tokens, adding utility to the token itself.

3. Increased utility and risk mitigation: Requiring the staking of NUM tokens and the possibility of slashing in the case of harmful behavior adds utility to the token. It also acts as a deterrent against malicious actions, as validators risk losing their staked tokens if they engage in harmful behavior. This can contribute to a more secure and trustworthy network.

4. Decentralization and resilience: Opening the validator set to the wider community increases decentralization and enhances the network's resilience against malicious attacks. By distributing the validation power among a larger set of validators, the network becomes less susceptible to control by a single entity or a small group of validators.

Cons:

1. Potential for bad actors: Opening up the validator set does introduce the possibility of bad actors entering the network. Currently, the validator set consists of permissioned strategic partners who have undergone vetting. With open access, there is a higher chance of malicious validators being included. This risk needs to be carefully managed to ensure the network's security.

2. Technical resources and costs: Opening the validator set and supporting a larger number of validators would require additional technical resources and incur costs for Numbers Protocol. The infrastructure and support needed for an expanded validator set should be carefully considered to maintain a reliable and robust network.

In conclusion, opening up the validator set and implementing delegated PoS in Numbers Protocol has several advantages, including alignment with core values, delegation and rewards, increased utility and risk mitigation, and enhanced decentralization and resilience. However, the potential risks of bad actors and the technical requirements and costs should be thoroughly addressed. It is important for the community to engage in open dialogue, share perspectives, and carefully consider the implications before making a final decision.

[Mahabirgope]

Capture app is really smooth in my phone but when I refer someone some users app crashes. I hope it will be solve soon . Thank you

[DexstarJay]

I was having issues with launching Capture app on My phone but as soon as I update My phone to the latest version, everything is working perfectly now. I love My Capture App.😊😎🤲🏻

[fredlex]

In my opinion.. opening the validator set to a wider Numbers community while implementing delegated proof of stake is seen from a positive light as being beneficial improving inter relationship and trust building among members of the community. However, critical decisions needs to be made.

Here are few advantages of opening the validator set:

Opening the validator set is in-line with the core values of Numbers Protocol, which are community and decentralization Allows for NUM stakers to delegate their stake to a validator of their choice to share in validation rewards

2. Staking reward: Adds additional utility for the NUM token, as this token will be required to be staked and risks slashing in the case of harmful behavior Allows for additional rewards for those community members who want to validate the Numbers Blockchain

Cons.. Opening of the validator set would require a robust technical and financial input to present and efficient staking ecosystem

Similarly an expected outcome of potential bad actors should not be ruled out as this may in turn reduce trust level..

[Marybeth-Nwachukwu]

The question of whether Numbers should open up the validator set and implement delegated Proof of Stake (PoS) is an important one, and it's worth considering the potential benefits and challenges associated with such a decision.

Pros of Opening up the Validator Set:

1. Decentralization: Opening up the validator set can promote decentralization by allowing more participants to contribute to the network's consensus mechanism. This can enhance the network's security and resilience against attacks.
2. Increased Participation: Allowing more validators to join the network encourages greater participation from the community. It can attract a wider range of stakeholders who are interested in supporting the Numbers protocol, leading to a more diverse and robust ecosystem.

Pros of Implementing Delegated PoS:

1. Accessibility: Delegated PoS can make participation in the consensus process more accessible to individuals who may not have the technical expertise or resources to run their own validator nodes. Delegating stake to trusted validators allows them to represent the interests of smaller stakeholders.
2. Efficiency: Delegated PoS can increase the efficiency of the consensus mechanism by allowing token holders to delegate their voting power to experienced validators. This can reduce the computational and energy requirements compared to traditional PoW consensus algorithms.

Challenges and Considerations:

1. Centralization Risks: Opening up the validator set and implementing delegated PoS should be carefully designed to avoid centralization risks. Measures should be put in place to prevent a small number of validators from gaining excessive control over the network.
2. Governance Mechanisms: Effective governance mechanisms should be established to ensure that decisions related to validator set composition and protocol upgrades are made in a transparent and inclusive manner.

[Mahabirgope]

Numbers should open up the validator set and implement delegated PoS:

Pros:

Community involvement and decentralization. Delegation allows token holders to earn rewards. Increased utility and risk mitigation. Improved decentralization and network resilience. Cons:

Potential for bad actors. Additional technical resources and costs.

Overall, the community review that opening up the validator set and implementing delegated PoS brings benefits such as community participation, rewards, and improved network security, but it also introduces risks

[4djc]

My app works flawlessly for me. I'm using a Samsung Galaxy s8+, so I have no issues, however I've seen on my iOS I have difficulty using the CaptureApp maybe due to its old iOS 7+

Let the dev strive to make the app accessible to all iphones and android phones that are not accessible, in my honest opinion.

[TylerDylan]

The provided information suggests that Numbers Protocol should consider opening up its validator set and implementing delegated proof-of-stake (PoS). This decision aligns with the protocol's core values of community involvement and decentralization. Some advantages of this approach include greater community participation, delegation of stake, sharing validation rewards, increased utility of tokens, risk mitigation through staking and slashing, and improved network security. However, there are potential drawbacks to consider, such as the possibility of bad actors entering the network and the need for additional technical resources and costs to support a larger set of validators. It is crucial for the community to engage in open dialogue and carefully evaluate the pros and cons before reaching a final decision.

[fredlex]

implementing POS. (Prof of stake) and Opening of the validator set will go a long way in increasing the utility of the numbers protocol native token hence leading to increase in community trust and growth in the numbers ecosystem. This step is in alignment with the core value for the community. In as much as this sounds interesting, there could be some reasons to be worried, such as potential risk of bad actors and the need for financial and technical involvement.

Contribute: I think a security protection technology be implemented to protect the entire community and certain criteria to be passed before being acknowledged as a validator. This will creat a smooth environment and out bad actors in check ✅

[Marybeth-Nwachukwu]

Implementing delegated PoS can provide advantages such as scalability, energy efficiency, and faster transaction confirmations. It also encourages wider participation and engagement from token holders, as they have a say in the consensus process through their voting power. However, it's worth noting that DPoS systems can potentially introduce certain risks, such as the concentration of power in the hands of a small number of delegates or the potential for collusion among them.

The fact that Numbers Protocol should open up the validator set and implement delegated PoS depends on various factors. It's essential for the project team to carefully consider the goals, values, and specific requirements of their network. They should assess the potential benefits and drawbacks of such a change and consider the impact on security, decentralization, governance, and network performance.

Additionally, it would be crucial for the Numbers project team to engage with their community and stakeholders, seek their input and feedback, and conduct thorough research and analysis before making any significant changes to the consensus mechanism. Ultimately, the decision should align with the project's long-term vision and goals.

[ethanwu155]

I was having issues with launching Capture app on My phone but as soon as I update My phone to the latest version, everything is working perfectly now. I love My Capture App.😊😎🤲🏻

I'm glad your Capture App is working now and thanks so much for your kind words. However this is the community review >.<

Maybe you can take some time to review the topic and let us know your thoughts. Love to know what you think. If you have any questions about the topic feel free to leave a question as well :)

[Nezukokamado11]

While I understand the potential benefits, we should also consider the potential risks. Opening the validator set might increase the chance of bad actors infiltrating the network. We need to have a robust vetting process in place to mitigate this risk.

[Mahabirgope]

The Numbers Protocol is advised to consider implementing delegated proof-of-stake (PoS) and opening its validator set to align with its values of community involvement and decentralization. This approach offers several benefits, including increased community participation, stake delegation, shared rewards, token utility, risk management, and enhanced network security. However, potential drawbacks exist, such as the risk of malicious actors joining the network and the need for additional technical resources and costs. Therefore, it is important for the community to engage in open discussions and thoroughly evaluate the advantages and disadvantages before making a final decision.

[nzubezion]

Yes! Opening up the validator set and implementing delegated PoS for Numbers Protocol is a step towards decentralization, aligning with core values. It allows stake delegation, adds utility to NUM token, and enhances network security.

[DeFiDebbie]

The merits of allowing the community to partake in DPoS outweigh the demerits. Nominating validators and by this, I mean actively involving the community in the process aligns with the values of the project.

I suggest the community will need to know about the validator to trust them and the validators should have been long-term members of the community. As the weight of validators is determined by the amount of staking tokens, you can randomly pre-select the validators with the most staked NUM and proceed with sharing the list with the community. Give the community time to run personal background checks and conclude which Validators they want to run nodes for the blockchain.

[Kristeeyo]

It's really commendable that the team is looking forward to include the community in its validator roles for more decentralisation

As stated in the article, there are pros and cons. The delegated proof of stake is an adoptable idea but validator roles should be left for the Numbers partners to be able to keep track and do away with "bad actors"

Through the delegated PoS, community members will still have a voice through their staked tokens and will get to secure rewards for themselves.

Asides bad actors, the technological expertise is another issue the team should look into closely. Do these community members have the necessary tools? Are they conversant with validator roles?

These are questions that should be asked

[4djc]

In my viewpoint, exposing the validator set to a larger Numbers community while adopting delegated proof of stake is viewed positively as enhancing inter-community relationships and trust development. However, important decisions must be taken.

Here are a few benefits to exposing the validator set:

Opening the validator set is consistent with Numbers Protocol's key objectives of community and decentralization. Allows NUM stakeholders to delegate their stake to a validator of their choice in order to participate in validation incentives. Staking reward: Adds additional utility for the NUM token, as this token will be required to be staked and risks slashing in the case of harmful behavior Allows for additional rewards for those community members who want to validate the Numbers Blockchain

Cons.. Opening of the validator set would require a robust technical and financial input to present and efficient staking ecosystem

Similarly an expected outcome of potential bad actors should not be ruled out as this may in turn reduce trust level..

[Evagols]

I feel Numbers opening up mainnet validators to the community has its merits and demerits.

The merits being that it can increase the utility for the $NUM token and also give members of the community a voice through their staked tokens, thereby enabling them secure rewards for themselves..

The demerits being that there is a possibility of bad actors entering the network if the validator sets are opened.

[ElieTrades]

The question is, is it necessary to implement the delegated PoS mechanism? Judging from how most ecosystems using DPoS experience lots of bad actor stories, I suggest we stick to what is more secure. While DPoS offers advantages in terms of speed and scalability, it is important to consider the potential risks associated with it, including the possibility of bad actors and centralization concerns.

If the focus is on security and minimizing risks, sticking to a more secure consensus mechanism, might be a reasonable choice.

[Wiscobus123]

In my viewpoint, exposing the validator set to a larger Numbers community while adopting delegated proof of stake is viewed positively as enhancing inter-community relationships and trust development. The merits being that it can increase the utility for the $NUM token and also give members of the community a voice through their staked tokens, thereby enabling them secure rewards for themselves. Staking reward: Adds additional utility for the NUM token, as this token will be required to be staked and risks slashing in the case of harmful behavior

[TylerDylan]

Based on the information provided, it seems favorable for Numbers to consider opening up the validator set and implementing delegated proof-of-stake (PoS). Here are the reasons supporting this viewpoint:

Advantages:

Alignment with core values: The decision to open the validator set and embrace decentralization is in line with Numbers Protocol's core values, which prioritize community involvement and decentralization. It enables greater participation and empowers community members to contribute to the network's validation process.

Delegation and rewards: Allowing NUM token holders to delegate their stake to validators of their choice introduces a mechanism for sharing validation rewards. This incentivizes token holders to actively participate and stake their NUM tokens, increasing the token's utility.

Increased utility and risk mitigation: Requiring the staking of NUM tokens and the possibility of slashing in case of harmful behavior adds utility to the token. It also acts as a deterrent against malicious actions since validators risk losing their staked tokens if they engage in harmful behavior. This promotes a more secure and trustworthy network.

Decentralization and resilience: Opening the validator set to a wider community enhances decentralization and strengthens the network's resilience against malicious attacks. By distributing validation power among a larger set of validators, the network becomes less susceptible to control by a single entity or small group.

Disadvantages:

Potential for bad actors: Opening up the validator set introduces the possibility of malicious actors joining the network. Currently, the validator set consists of vetted permissioned strategic partners. With open access, the risk of including malicious validators increases. This risk must be carefully managed to ensure network security.

Technical resources and costs: Opening the validator set and supporting a larger number of validators requires additional technical resources and incurs costs for Numbers Protocol. The infrastructure and support needed for an expanded validator set should be considered to maintain a reliable and robust network.

In conclusion, implementing delegated PoS and opening up the validator set offers several benefits for Numbers Protocol. It aligns with their core values, introduces delegation and rewards, increases utility and risk mitigation, and enhances network decentralization and resilience. However, the potential risks of bad actors and the technical requirements and costs need thorough consideration. It is crucial for the community to engage in open dialogue, share perspectives, and carefully evaluate the implications before reaching a final decision.

[fredlex]

Implementing the proof of stake POS For delegates, opening of the validator set to a wider Community helps to build the interrelationship among community members hence creating an improved utility for the $NUM token since this makes community members benefit from the profit of staking being us closers to everything decentralization stands for.

Proper measures should be taken to eradicate any form of bad actions from validators to keep the community completely secured. ..

[Mahabirgope]

Decentralization and resilience: Opening the validator set to a wider community enhances decentralization and strengthens the network's resilience against malicious attacks. By distributing validation power among a larger set of validators, the network becomes less susceptible to control by a single entity or small group.

However, there are certain disadvantages to consider when opening up the validator set:

1. Potential for bad actors: Allowing open access to the validator set introduces the possibility of malicious actors joining the network. Currently, the validator set consists of vetted permissioned strategic partners. With open access, the risk of including malicious validators increases. To maintain network security, it is crucial to carefully manage this risk and implement measures to identify and mitigate bad actors.

2. Technical resources and costs: Opening the validator set and supporting a larger number of validators requires additional technical resources and incurs costs for Numbers Protocol. The infrastructure and support needed for an expanded validator set should be considered to ensure a reliable and robust network. Adequate resources must be allocated to maintain the necessary technical infrastructure and provide support to validators.

Considering the advantages, here are the reasons supporting the viewpoint of opening up the validator set and implementing delegated proof-of-stake (PoS) for Numbers Protocol:

1. Alignment with core values: Opening the validator set and embracing decentralization aligns with Numbers Protocol's core values, which prioritize community involvement and decentralization. It enables greater participation and empowers community members to contribute to the network's validation process, fostering a sense of ownership and engagement.

2. Delegation and rewards: Allowing NUM token holders to delegate their stake to validators of their choice introduces a mechanism for sharing validation rewards. This incentivizes token holders to actively participate and stake their NUM tokens, increasing the token's utility. Delegation also enables token holders with limited technical expertise to still participate and contribute to the network's security.

3. Increased utility and risk mitigation: Requiring the staking of NUM tokens and the possibility of slashing in case of harmful behavior adds utility to the token. It also acts as a deterrent against malicious actions since validators risk losing their staked tokens if they engage in harmful behavior. This promotes a more secure and trustworthy network by aligning the incentives of validators with the network's overall health.

[Marybeth-Nwachukwu]

Opening up the validator set and introducing delegated PoS can have several benefits for Numbers. By expanding the validator set, Numbers can increase decentralization, as more participants will have the opportunity to contribute to the network's consensus. This can enhance the overall security and resilience of the blockchain.

Implementing delegated PoS allows token holders to delegate their stake to trusted validators who can represent their interests and participate in the consensus process on their behalf. This approach promotes engagement and participation from a broader community, even those with limited technical knowledge or resources to run their own validators. It can also incentivize token holders to stake their assets, which helps secure the network and maintain its stability.

[Nezukokamado11]

Decentralization and resilience: Opening the validator set to the wider community increases decentralization and enhances the network's resilience against malicious attacks. By distributing the validation power among a larger set of validators, the network becomes less susceptible to control by a single entity or a small group of validators.

[4djc]

According to the available data, Numbers Protocol ought to think about expanding its validator network and introducing delegated proof-of-stake (PoS). The protocol's fundamental principles of decentralization and participation of the community are supported by this choice. Greater community involvement, stake delegation, shared validation rewards, enhanced token utility, risk reduction via staking and slashing, and improved network security are some benefits of this strategy. However, there may be disadvantages to take into account, such as the ability for malicious actors to infiltrate the network and the requirement for more technical resources and expenses to support a higher number of validators. Before making a choice, the community must hold an honest discussion and thoroughly weigh the advantages and disadvantages.

[TylerDylan]

This suggests that opening up the validator set and adopting delegated proof-of-stake (PoS) would be advantageous for Numbers Protocol. This decision aligns with the protocol's core values of community involvement and decentralization. By allowing token holders to delegate their stake to validators, it introduces a mechanism for sharing validation rewards and encourages active participation. Requiring the staking of tokens adds utility and mitigates risks by deterring malicious behavior through the possibility of slashing. Moreover, decentralizing the validator set enhances the network's security and resilience against attacks.

However, there are potential drawbacks to consider. Opening up the validator set increases the risk of bad actors entering the network, as compared to the current vetted strategic partners. Managing this risk is crucial to maintain network security. Additionally, expanding the validator set requires additional technical resources and incurs costs for Numbers Protocol. Adequate infrastructure and support must be provided to ensure a reliable and robust network.

In conclusion, opening up the validator set and implementing delegated PoS can bring numerous benefits to Numbers Protocol, including alignment with core values, delegation and rewards, increased utility and risk mitigation, and enhanced decentralization and resilience. However, it is essential to address the risks of bad actors and carefully consider the technical requirements and costs. Community engagement, open dialogue, and thoughtful consideration are necessary before making a final decision.

[RisingStar05]

I suggest we stick to the previous mechanism simply because it’s less risky that way. Your Validators are currently your partners who of course you have a lot of trust in. How much do we know about each community member? It's highly unlikely that there will be a 50% chance of bad actors but still, I do feel DPoS is not an option.

[cryptomate7863]

Dear Numbers Protocol Community,

Thank you for initiating this important discussion regarding the decentralization of the validator set and the implementation of delegated proof-of-stake (PoS) within Numbers Protocol. I believe that considering this decision is crucial for the continued growth and evolution of our decentralized ecosystem.

After carefully reviewing the pros and cons outlined in the article, I would like to share my thoughts on this matter.

Firstly, I fully support the idea of opening up the validator set to the wider community. It aligns perfectly with the core values of Numbers Protocol, emphasizing the importance of community participation and decentralization. By allowing NUM token holders to delegate their stake to validators of their choice, we empower the community and provide them with an opportunity to actively contribute to the validation process. This increased participation not only enhances the security and resilience of our blockchain but also fosters a sense of ownership and engagement among NUM token holders.

Furthermore, opening the validator set adds significant utility to the NUM token. By requiring staking of NUM tokens for participation in the validation process, we create a strong incentive for community members to hold and stake their tokens, thereby promoting the growth and stability of our ecosystem. This increased demand for NUM tokens can have a positive impact on their value and liquidity.

I also appreciate the emphasis on network resilience and protection against malicious attacks. Opening up the validator set and expanding the pool of validators significantly reduces the risk of a single validator becoming compromised and potentially harming the network. A decentralized validator set ensures that the power is distributed among many participants, making it more difficult for any malicious actor to manipulate the system.

However, I acknowledge the potential challenges and concerns associated with this decision. The current permissioned validator set, which consists of strategic partners, has likely been carefully vetted and trusted. Opening up the validator set does introduce the possibility of bad actors entering the network. To address this concern, it will be essential to establish a robust vetting and governance process for new validators, ensuring that they meet certain criteria and adhere to strict guidelines. Transparency and accountability should be prioritized to maintain the integrity of the network.

Additionally, it is important to recognize the technical resources and costs required to support a larger validator set. As the number of validators increases, the infrastructure must be able to handle the increased load and maintain a high level of performance and reliability. Numbers Protocol should carefully assess these requirements and allocate the necessary resources to support the expanded validator set effectively.

In conclusion, I firmly believe that opening up the validator set and implementing delegated PoS within Numbers Protocol is a progressive step forward. It aligns with our core values of community and decentralization, enhances the utility of the NUM token, and strengthens the security and resilience of our network. However, it is crucial that we address the associated challenges, such as vetting new validators and allocating resources effectively.

I encourage all members of the Numbers Protocol community to actively participate in this discussion and share their perspectives. Let us collaborate and shape the future of our protocol in a manner that reflects the collective wisdom and aspirations of our community.

Thank you for providing us with this opportunity to voice our opinions and contribute to the decision-making process.

Sincerely, Mohammed saqib AKA Cryptomate :)

[Mahabirgope]

Opening up the validator set and adopting delegated proof-of-stake (PoS) would be advantageous for Numbers Protocol. It aligns with the protocol's core values of community involvement and decentralization, while introducing mechanisms for sharing validation rewards and encouraging active participation. Requiring token staking adds utility and deters malicious behavior. Decentralizing the validator set enhances security and resilience.

However, there are potential drawbacks, such as the risk of bad actors entering the network. Managing this risk is crucial. Expanding the validator set requires additional technical resources and costs. Sufficient infrastructure and support must be provided.

In conclusion, opening up the validator set and implementing delegated PoS offer benefits like alignment with core values, delegation and rewards, increased utility, risk mitigation, and enhanced decentralization. However, addressing the risk of bad actors and considering technical requirements and costs is important. Community engagement, open dialogue, and careful consideration are necessary before finalizing the decision.

[Nezukokamado11]

Based on the available data, Numbers Protocol should consider expanding its validator network and implementing delegated proof-of-stake (PoS). This decision aligns with the protocol's core principles of decentralization and community participation. By adopting this approach, the protocol can achieve several benefits, including increased community engagement, stake delegation, shared validation rewards, improved token utility, reduced risk through staking and slashing, and enhanced network security. Nevertheless, it is important to consider potential drawbacks, such as the possibility of malicious actors infiltrating the network and the need for additional technical resources and expenses to support a larger number of validators. Before making a decision, the community should engage in an open and thorough discussion to carefully assess the advantages and disadvantages.

[4djc]

The advantages of permitting community participation in DPoS outweigh the disadvantages. It is consistent with the goals of the project to nominate validators, and by this I mean actively involve the community in the process.

To earn the community's confidence, the validators, in my opinion, must be well-known inside the community and have a history of sustained membership. You can choose at random the validators with the most staked NUM and then share the list with the community since the weight of validators is based on the quantity of staking tokens. Allow the neighborhood time to conduct individual background checks and determine whose Validators they were

[Marybeth-Nwachukwu]

The decision of whether the Numbers Protocol should look to open up the validator set and implement delegated Proof of Stake (PoS) depends on several factors. Here are some key considerations to keep in mind:

1. Decentralization: Opening up the validator set and implementing delegated PoS can potentially increase the decentralization of the Numbers Protocol. By allowing a larger number of validators to participate, it reduces the concentration of power among a few entities, making the network more resilient and less vulnerable to attacks or censorship.

2. Security: Implementing delegated PoS could enhance the security of the protocol. By involving more participants in the consensus process, it becomes more difficult for any single entity or group to compromise the network. However, it's important to ensure that the delegation mechanism is designed securely to avoid potential risks or vulnerabilities.

3. Scalability: Opening up the validator set can help improve the scalability of the Numbers Protocol. If the current validator set is unable to handle the transaction load efficiently, expanding the set can distribute the workload and enable faster processing. Delegated PoS can also allow for more efficient block validation and consensus, further enhancing scalability.

4. Governance and Participation: Delegated PoS can encourage broader participation in the protocol's governance. Token holders can delegate their stake to validators they trust, providing them with the ability to participate in consensus and decision-making. This can promote a more inclusive and democratic governance model, giving stakeholders a voice in shaping the protocol's future.

5. Trade-offs: There are trade-offs to consider when opening up the validator set and implementing delegated PoS. It can introduce complexities in terms of managing the delegation process, potential risks of centralization through large delegated stakes, and challenges in maintaining security and performance. These trade-offs should be carefully evaluated and mitigated to ensure the overall effectiveness and integrity of the protocol.

Ultimately, the decision to open up the validator set and implement delegated PoS should be based on a thorough analysis of the specific requirements, goals, and challenges of the Numbers Protocol. It's important to consider the potential benefits in terms of decentralization, security, scalability, and governance, while also addressing any potential drawbacks and ensuring that the chosen mechanisms align with the protocol's objectives. Consulting with domain experts, conducting feasibility studies, and engaging the community in the decision-making process can help in making an informed choice.

[qqorq]

Topic: Should Numbers look to open up the validator set and implement delegated PoS?

Overview

Today, we embark on a journey of exploration and discussion surrounding an important decision that lies at the heart of our decentralized ecosystem. We are here to deliberate on the question of whether Numbers should open up its validator set to the wider community.

At Numbers Protocol, we deeply value our community and the principles of decentralization. Our shared vision is to build a robust and resilient network that empowers its participants, enables secure transactions, and fosters trust. The selection of validators plays a critical role in achieving these goals within a proof-of-stake blockchain. Currently, our validator slots are permissions and limited to Numbers partners. However, we believe it is time to open up the discussion and consider the advantages and challenges of embracing a more inclusive approach.

This article will examine the pros and cons of allowing access to the current permission Numbers blockchain validator set and implementing a delegated proof-of-stake (PoS) mechanism, similar to other prominent layer-1 blockchains. We aim to provide you with an impartial analysis that equips you with the necessary information to understand the dialogue that will take place during the upcoming DAO meeting. Remember, this article is not meant to sway your opinion but rather to foster dialogue and broaden our collective understanding.

So, let us delve into the intricacies of decentralizing the validator set and explore its potential impact on our community, protocol, and Numbers' future.

Decentralizing the validator set

Before diving into the discussion around decentralizing the validator set, first, we will outline what a validators role is within a proof-of-stake blockchain:

In Proof of Stake blockchains, validators are selected to produce the next block based on their stake in the network token. These validators will stake some of NUM tokens and run software that allows them to produce and approve blocks. Although often designed with random functions to prevent a front-running consensus, a larger amount staked by a validator could give them a higher chance of producing the next block. Proposed blocks by validators are then propagated to the rest of the set, who verify and add the approved block to the blockchain.

In the current implementation of the Numbers Blockchain, these validator slots are permissions and only accessible to Numbers partners.

Community and decentralization are core values of Numbers Protocol, and with these values in mind, we have decided to open up the discussion around allowing access to the currently permissioned Numbers blockchain validator set and implementing a delegated proof-of-stake (PoS) mechanism, similar to other popular layer-1 blockchains.

This community article aims to outline the pros and cons of opening the validator set to the community:

Pros

• Opening the validator set is in-line with the core values of Numbers Protocol, which are community and decentralization
• Allows for NUM stakers to delegate their stake to a validator of their choice to share in validation rewards
• Adds additional utility for the NUM token, as this token will be required to be staked and risks slashing in the case of harmful behavior
• Allows for additional rewards for those community members who want to validate the Numbers Blockchain
• Increases decentralization and attack resilience in the event of a malicious validator attacking the network

Cons

• Current validators are permissioned strategic partners of Numbers Protocol, which includes AVA. By opening the validator set, this opens the door to higher chances of bad actors. Once implemented this action is irreversible, as the validator set will become permissionless and there is no way to remove all new validators.
• Opening the validator set will require technical resources and costs from Numbers Protocol revenues
• Running a validator will require technical expertise on the community members part to run effectively and without downtime in addition to a sizeable stake in NUM

Numbers is actively working with its partner network to assign more utility to the NUM token and work towards a more decentralized future. This article aims at opening the discussion between the community if a decentralized validator set is something that would like to be explored.

Conclusion

Ultimately, the decision to decentralize the validator set within Numbers Protocol is one of great significance and should not be taken lightly. As we assess the advantages and challenges of such a step, we must remain steadfast in our commitment to community and decentralization, which lie at the core of our protocol.

By opening up the validator set, we can embrace a more inclusive approach that empowers NUM stakers to delegate their stake, share in validation rewards, and contribute to the robustness of our blockchain. This move enhances the utility of the NUM token and fortifies the network's resilience against malicious attacks. However, we must be mindful of the additional risks that come with decentralization, such as potential bad actors and the technical resources required to support a larger validator set.

Numbers Protocol remains neutral in this discussion. We encourage all stakeholders to engage in open dialogue and share their perspectives.

Together, let us shape the future of Numbers Protocol as we work towards a more decentralized and inclusive ecosystem driven by the collective wisdom of our community. Your voice matters, and we eagerly anticipate the outcome of this crucial decision.

Thank you for being an integral part of the Numbers Protocol journey!

Entering Community Review

Just like previous DAO meetings topics, this Numbers Governance Proposal will undergo community review until June 20. During this time, we encourage the Numbers community to share your thoughts and concerns on GitHub issues and discuss this proposal openly on our many social channels. We look forward to hearing your feedback!

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I personally think to everything said here and pointed out, shouldn't be taken lightly and the decentralisation can go on. From my end I have no negative energy there with this topic. All good

[Mahabirgope]

In light of the available data, it is advisable for Numbers Protocol to contemplate expanding its validator network and implementing delegated proof-of-stake (PoS). Such a decision would be in line with the protocol's fundamental principles of decentralization and community involvement. By embracing this approach, the protocol can enjoy numerous benefits, which include heightened community participation, stake delegation, the sharing of validation rewards, improved token utility, reduced risks through staking and slashing mechanisms, and bolstered network security. However, it is crucial to consider potential drawbacks, such as the potential infiltration of malicious actors into the network and the requirement for additional technical resources and expenses to support a larger set of validators. Before reaching a decision, it is imperative for the community to engage in an open and comprehensive discussion in order to carefully evaluate the advantages and disadvantages.

[TylerDylan]

Based on the provided information, it seems that opening up the validator set and implementing delegated proof-of-stake (PoS) could be a favorable decision for Numbers. Here are the reasons supporting this stance:

Pros:

Alignment with core values: Opening the validator set and embracing decentralization aligns with the core values of Numbers Protocol, which prioritize community involvement and decentralization. It allows for greater participation and empowers community members to contribute to the network's validation process.

Delegation and rewards: Allowing NUM token holders to delegate their stake to validators of their choice introduces a mechanism for sharing in validation rewards. This incentivizes token holders to actively participate and stake their NUM tokens, adding utility to the token itself.

Increased utility and risk mitigation: Requiring the staking of NUM tokens and the possibility of slashing in the case of harmful behavior adds utility to the token. It also acts as a deterrent against malicious actions, as validators risk losing their staked tokens if they engage in harmful behavior. This can contribute to a more secure and trustworthy network.

Decentralization and resilience: Opening the validator set to the wider community increases decentralization and enhances the network's resilience against malicious attacks. By distributing the validation power among a larger set of validators, the network becomes less susceptible to control by a single entity or a small group of validators.

Cons:

Potential for bad actors: Opening up the validator set does introduce the possibility of bad actors entering the network. Currently, the validator set consists of permissioned strategic partners who have undergone vetting. With open access, there is a higher chance of malicious validators being included. This risk needs to be carefully managed to ensure the network's security.

Technical resources and costs: Opening the validator set and supporting a larger number of validators would require additional technical resources and incur costs for Numbers Protocol. The infrastructure and support needed for an expanded validator set should be carefully considered to maintain a reliable and robust network.

In conclusion, opening up the validator set and implementing delegated PoS appears to have several benefits for Numbers Protocol. It aligns with the core values of community and decentralization, introduces delegation and rewards, increases utility and risk mitigation, and enhances network decentralization and resilience. However, the potential risks of bad actors and the technical requirements and costs should be thoroughly addressed. It is essential for the community to engage in open dialogue, share perspectives, and carefully consider the implications before making a final decision.

[Majorazors]

My take on this event of opening up the validator set and implementing a delegate PoS - Coming from a logical standpoint I think it should be put off for now pending a substantial amount of growth in the Numbers community and adequate education of the community members. Sitting on one of the cons outlined I can not stress enough the outcome or possible turn of events when something as important and delicate as this finds it ways in to the hands of bad actors. Especially in a case where the bad actors outnumber the good players. As much as this adds more utility for the $NUM token I think pending when community members and stakers are well informed and educated The Numbers partners should keep running it for the time being.

[Nezukokamado11]

The ongoing community review is centered around the proposal to open up the validator set and implement delegated proof-of-stake (PoS) in the Numbers Protocol ecosystem. Supporters believe that this move aligns with the core values of community involvement and decentralization, empowering participants and enhancing the utility of the NUM token. They argue that allowing stakeholders to delegate their stake and share in validation rewards would foster active engagement, while increasing the number of validators would strengthen network security and resilience. However, concerns are raised regarding the potential entry of bad actors and the need for additional technical resources and costs. As the community deliberates, careful evaluation of the advantages and challenges is vital to inform this critical decision.

[4djc]

It's really commendable that the team is looking forward to include the community in its validator roles for more decentralisation

As stated in the article, there are pros and cons. The delegated proof of stake is an adoptable idea but validator roles should be left for the Numbers partners to be able to keep track and do away with "bad actors"

Through the delegated PoS, community members will still have a voice through their staked tokens and will get to secure rewards for themselves.

Asides bad actors, the technological expertise is another issue the team should look into closely. Do these community members have the necessary tools? Are they conversant with validator roles?

These are questions that should be asked

[TylerDylan]

Based on the provided information, it seems that opening up the validator set and implementing delegated proof-of-stake (PoS) could be a favorable decision for Numbers. Here are the reasons supporting this stance:

Pros:

Alignment with core values: Opening the validator set and embracing decentralization aligns with the core values of Numbers Protocol, which prioritize community involvement and decentralization. It allows for greater participation and empowers community members to contribute to the network's validation process.

Delegation and rewards: Allowing NUM token holders to delegate their stake to validators of their choice introduces a mechanism for sharing in validation rewards. This incentivizes token holders to actively participate and stake their NUM tokens, adding utility to the token itself.

Increased utility and risk mitigation: Requiring the staking of NUM tokens and the possibility of slashing in the case of harmful behavior adds utility to the token. It also acts as a deterrent against malicious actions, as validators risk losing their staked tokens if they engage in harmful behavior. This can contribute to a more secure and trustworthy network.

Decentralization and resilience: Opening the validator set to the wider community increases decentralization and enhances the network's resilience against malicious attacks. By distributing the validation power among a larger set of validators, the network becomes less susceptible to control by a single entity or a small group of validators.

Cons:

Potential for bad actors: Opening up the validator set does introduce the possibility of bad actors entering the network. Currently, the validator set consists of permissioned strategic partners who have undergone vetting. With open access, there is a higher chance of malicious validators being included. This risk needs to be carefully managed to ensure the network's security.

Technical resources and costs: Opening the validator set and supporting a larger number of validators would require additional technical resources and incur costs for Numbers Protocol. The infrastructure and support needed for an expanded validator set should be carefully considered to maintain a reliable and robust network.

In conclusion, opening up the validator set and implementing delegated PoS appears to have several benefits for Numbers Protocol. It aligns with the core values of community and decentralization, introduces delegation and rewards, increases utility and risk mitigation, and enhances network decentralization and resilience. However, the potential risks of bad actors and the technical requirements and costs should be thoroughly addressed. It is essential for the community to engage in open dialogue, share perspectives, and carefully consider the implications before making a final decision.

[Mahabirgope]

Based on the available information, it appears that Numbers could greatly benefit from opening up its validator set and implementing delegated proof-of-stake (PoS). Here are the arguments supporting this viewpoint:

Advantages:

1. Consistent with core principles: By embracing decentralization and involving the community, Numbers Protocol can stay true to its fundamental values. This approach encourages wider participation and empowers community members to contribute to the validation process, fostering a sense of ownership.

2. Delegation and incentives: Allowing NUM token holders to delegate their stake to validators of their choosing introduces a rewarding mechanism. This incentivizes token holders to actively engage and stake their NUM tokens, thereby enhancing the value and utility of the token itself.

3. Enhanced utility and risk management: Requiring NUM token staking and the possibility of slashing in case of misconduct adds utility to the token. Moreover, it acts as a deterrent against malicious behavior since validators risk losing their staked tokens. This helps establish a more secure and trustworthy network.

4. Decentralization and resilience: By opening up the validator set to a broader community, Numbers Protocol can promote decentralization and bolster the network's resistance against malicious attacks. Distributing the validation power among numerous validators reduces the risk of control by a single entity or a small group.

Disadvantages:

1. Potential for malicious actors: Allowing open access to the validator set does introduce the risk of malicious actors infiltrating the network. Presently, the validator set consists of carefully vetted strategic partners. However, with open access, there is a higher probability of including validators with ill intent. This risk must be managed effectively to maintain network security.

2. Technical requirements and expenses: Expanding the validator set and supporting a larger number of validators necessitates additional technical resources and incurs costs for Numbers Protocol. Ensuring the network remains reliable and robust would require careful consideration of the infrastructure and support required.

To summarize, the advantages of opening up the validator set and implementing delegated PoS for Numbers Protocol are clear. It aligns with core principles, introduces delegation and incentives, enhances utility and risk management, and strengthens decentralization and resilience. However, the potential risks associated with malicious actors and the technical demands and costs should be addressed thoroughly. Engaging the community in open discussions, sharing perspectives, and considering the implications will be crucial before reaching a final decision.

[Nezukokamado11]

Expanding the validator set and implementing delegated proof-of-stake in Numbers Protocol has the potential to increase community participation, enhance decentralization, and foster trust in the network. The community review process aims to gather valuable insights and perspectives from the community, ultimately leading to informed decisions and a stronger ecosystem. Your engagement and input are greatly appreciated as we collectively explore the possibilities and implications of this proposal.

[4djc]

Given the information at hand, it is advised that Numbers Protocol think about growing its validator network and putting delegated proof-of-stake (PoS) into place. Decentralization and community participation are two essential tenets of the protocol, therefore such a choice would be appropriate. By adopting this strategy, the protocol can gain a variety of advantages, including as increased community involvement, stake delegation, the sharing of validation rewards, greater token usefulness, decreased risks due to staking and slashing mechanisms, and improved network security. However, it is critical to take into account any potential disadvantages, such as the potential entry of bad actors into the network and the need for more technical resources and costs to maintain a bigger range of validators. It is crucial that the community do an investigation before making a decision. It is critical that the community has an open and thorough conversation before making a choice in order to carefully weigh the benefits and drawbacks.

[TylerDylan]

Opening up the validator set and implementing delegated proof-of-stake (PoS) could be a favorable decision for Numbers Protocol. This aligns with their core values of community involvement and decentralization. The pros include greater community participation, delegation and rewards for token holders, increased utility and risk mitigation, as well as enhanced decentralization and resilience against attacks. However, there are potential risks of bad actors entering the network and the need for additional technical resources and costs. The community should engage in dialogue and consider the implications before making a final decision.

[Mahabirgope]

Opening up the validator set and implementing delegated proof-of-stake (PoS) for Numbers Protocol has several potential benefits. It aligns with the core values of community involvement and decentralization, allowing for greater participation and empowering token holders to contribute to the network's validation process. Delegation introduces rewards and incentivizes token holders to stake their NUM tokens, adding utility to the token. It also enhances network security and trustworthiness by requiring staking and implementing potential slashing for harmful behavior. Furthermore, expanding the validator set increases decentralization and strengthens the network's resilience against attacks. However, careful management of the risks associated with bad actors and consideration of technical requirements and costs are essential. Engaging the community, conducting thorough evaluations, and fostering open dialogue are vital in making an informed decision about implementing delegated PoS and expanding the validator set for Numbers Protocol.

[MdRehan05]

In my view, decentralizing the validator set within Numbers Blockchain brings numerous advantages which significantly out weighs the disadvantage to the ecosystem. By opening up the validator set to the broader community, Numbers Protocol can harness the power of community participation and decentralization. This move can empower NUM token holders, allowing them to actively contribute to the validation process and share in the rewards. Not only does this increase the utility of the NUM token, but it also motivates new users to hold NUM and participate in the network fostering a more inclusive and resilient blockchain network.

[Desure01]

In my own review: Expanding the validator set and implementing delegated proof-of-stake in Numbers Protocol has the full fundamentals to add value to increase the community participation! This move can empower NUM token holders , with the ability of contribution all can be processed accordingly…

Meanwhile The aims for the review is to provide valuable perspectives opinion from the community, of which the decisions of the community can also be a great help also an healthy ecosystem.

The Number Team always know the heart of the community!