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option for NVDA to not automatically read first line of document #11157

Closed Dennisl123 closed 4 years ago

Dennisl123 commented 4 years ago

I would like an option for NVDA to not automatically read a document when opened such as an email or word document. If you read line by line you will miss information by it automatically reading. the <!--

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Adriani90 commented 4 years ago

And again, I think #4977 already addresses the needs of low vision users in this regard anyway.

DrSooom commented 4 years ago

I suggest to keep this issue here open, as it has nothing to do with issue #4977. After issue #4977 was solved, we should figure out the next steps regarding when on which situations a speech output is still desired and when not. And this issue here is one of them.

@Adriani90: Please ask a sighted person how he reads a letter or a newspaper. With "focusing" I meant focusing primary with the eyes, not with the mouse or the keyboard. Visual and haptic reading are totally different things. You cannot compare them.

Dennisl123 commented 4 years ago

I completely agree.

Adriani90 commented 4 years ago

@DrSooom > Please ask a sighted person how he reads a letter or a newspaper. With "focusing" I meant focusing primary with the eyes, not with the mouse or the keyboard. Visual and haptic reading are totally different things. You cannot compare them.

so we are on the same line here. Tough, suppressing only the first line from reporting does not make sense at all for a sighted person. Either we implement a systematik which addresses this completely like #4977, or we let it be. For a low vision user it does not make sense to start with such small pieces like this. And unless we do not have the basis, we cannot start now already to raise features which do not make sense at all for now.

Sofar this discussion seems to go into an endless loop and for a developer starting to work on this it will be really difficult to understand what exactly the consensus should be here. I am closing this issue once again. Please reopen a new one, fill the template completely and provide a clear justification why suppressing only the reporting of the first line of a document would make sense for an user, given the fact that the window title should still be reported and the user has to interact with the document anyway. Regarding improvements for sighted people, please continue the discussion on #4977 since this is a systematical approach. After implementing that, we can start raising specific features for certain cases if you feel that it is needed.

Dennisl123 commented 4 years ago

No You unilaterally decided to close the thread again it should not be closed!

Dennisl123 commented 4 years ago

This thread needs reopened.

LeonarddeR commented 4 years ago

This thread is very long and messy and there I'm very reluctant to reopen it. I'd suggest opening a new issue using the feature template: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/new?template=feature_request.md

@Dennisl123 please pay extra attention to the rationale, i.e. why you think this feature is benefitial).

feerrenrut commented 4 years ago

Yes, agreed with @leonardder.

The issue description is not complete, and this is a very long discussion that does not clarify the problem. This issue should stay closed. Please create a new issue and accurately describe the problem.

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