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NVDA leaves a phantom icon in the systray the first time it's restarted after a system boot #11553

Open XLTechie opened 4 years ago

XLTechie commented 4 years ago

Steps to reproduce:

  1. Restart Windows.
  2. If NVDA doesn't start automatically after sign-on, start it.
  3. Restart it with the desktop shortcut.
  4. Press Windows+B to go to the notification area.
  5. Use the down arrow to find the NVDA icon.
  6. Press down arrow again.

Actual behavior:

You should hear a second NVDA icon in the notification area.

In earlier versions of NVDA, I've had as many as four that I can remember.

Pressing enter on the phantom NVDAs will make them go away; only one, usually the lower most in down arrow navigation mode, is the real one.

Expected behavior:

Only ever one NVDA icon.

History:

I have experienced this for a number of years. Lately it only seems to happen after the first run following a system restart; in the past it would happen more often.

This was recently described by a few users on a mailing list, and @Qchristensen asked for logs. Find them below.

System configuration

NVDA installed/portable/running from source:

Installed

NVDA version:

alpha-20809,f4cb0847

Windows version:

10 version 2004, but I have experienced this since Windows Vista.

Other information about your system:

Other questions

Does the issue still occur after restarting your computer?

Yes, these days only after restarting.

Have you tried any other versions of NVDA? If so, please report their behaviors.

Yes, all of them. The same or worse.

If addons are disabled, is your problem still occuring?

I'm pretty sure I have tried that in the past and found the situation unchanged, but since it's inconvenient to restart the system that way, I did not try it this time.

Did you try to run the COM registry fixing tool in NVDA menu / tools?

In this specific case no, but I run it a couple times per week anyway and it has never made a difference, on this computer or any other.

Logs:

I have included two logs. One from the version of NVDA which was running first (on system startup), and one from the NVDA which ran second, and actually showed the two icons.

These logs are very long. But reading through them as quickly as I could, the only obvious error I found during the shutdown of the first NVDA was:

DEBUG - core._terminate (17:09:21.874) - MainThread (10124):
Terminating UIA support
DEBUGWARNING - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.terminate (17:09:22.085) - MainThread (10124):
Timeout or error while waiting for UIAHandler MTA thread

I have no idea if that is indicative of the problem, or if that happens every time this issue occurs. Nor do I have any idea what might have caused that.

Here are the logs:

XLTechie commented 4 years ago

I want to say that this problem is frustratingly illusive.

I have just attempted several times to provoke it with add-ons disabled in either or both of the NVDA runs associated with the behavior, and could not.

Then I tried again to reproduce it according to the steps I used above, and could not.

The fact is that this either happens or it doesn't. It is completely unclear to me what causes or prevents it, and even I can't replicate it on demand.

I apologize for submitting such a nebulas ticket.

ABuffEr commented 4 years ago

Hi, have you tried killing NVDA from task manager?

XLTechie commented 4 years ago

Alberto Buffolino wrote:

have you tried killing NVDA from task manager?

No. When would doing that make sense?

During the first run, nothing is apparently wrong.

During the second run, the double icon appears from the first run not fully closing.

So by the second run it's too late, and in the first run we have no way of knowing whether it's going to happen this time around or not.

I could of course just kill every first run NVDA with taskkill instead of desktop shortcut to restart, but that is not what the normal user is going to do.

ABuffEr commented 4 years ago

I could of course just kill every first run NVDA with taskkill instead of desktop shortcut to restart, but that is not what the normal user is going to do.

Absolutely. I suggested killing only to simulate a not fully closing.

For curiosity, you have Windows Fast Startup enabled?

Brian1Gaff commented 4 years ago

Interestingly, yes this goes back to the xp version, but its not the only software to have the issue. I've encountered it with things like unchecky and other small programs that run at start up but when closed the icon remains unless you click it, and suddenly, Windows realises its not running any more. Brian

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Steps to reproduce:

  1. Restart Windows.
  2. If NVDA doesn't start automatically after sign-on, start it.
  3. Restart it with the desktop shortcut.
  4. Press Windows+B to go to the notification area.
  5. Use the down arrow to find the NVDA icon.
  6. Press down arrow again.

Actual behavior:

You should hear a second NVDA icon in the notification area.

In earlier versions of NVDA, I've had as many as four that I can remember.

Pressing enter on the phantom NVDAs will make them go away; only one, usually the lower most in down arrow navigation mode, is the real one.

Expected behavior:

Only ever one NVDA icon.

History:

I have experienced this for a number of years. Lately it only seems to happen after the first run following a system restart; in the past it would happen more often.

This was recently described by a few users on a mailing list, and @Qchristensen asked for logs. Find them below.

System configuration

NVDA installed/portable/running from source:

Installed

NVDA version:

alpha-20809,f4cb0847

Windows version:

10 version 2004, but I have experienced this since Windows Vista.

Other information about your system:

Other questions

Does the issue still occur after restarting your computer?

Yes, these days only after restarting.

Have you tried any other versions of NVDA? If so, please report their

behaviors.

Yes, all of them. The same or worse.

If addons are disabled, is your problem still occuring?

I'm pretty sure I have tried that in the past, but since it's inconvenient to restart the system that way, I did not try it this time.

Did you try to run the COM registry fixing tool in NVDA menu / tools?

In this specific case no, but I run it a couple times per week anyway and it has never made a difference, on this computer or any other.

Logs:

I have included two logs. One from the version of NVDA which was running first (on system startup), and one from the NVDA which ran second, and actually showed the two icons.

These logs are very long. But reading through them as quickly as I could, the only obvious error I found during the shutdown of the first NVDA was:

DEBUG - core._terminate (17:09:21.874) - MainThread (10124):
Terminating UIA support
DEBUGWARNING - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.terminate (17:09:22.085) - 
MainThread (10124):
Timeout or error while waiting for UIAHandler MTA thread

I have no idea if that is indicative of the problem, or if that happens every time this issue occurs. Nor do I have any idea what might have caused that.

Here are the logs:

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mohdshara commented 4 years ago

I too experience this behavior. unsure how I can help in this regard. I'll try to watch for a reliable way to reproduce it.

Adriani90 commented 3 years ago

Yes i see this behavior as well.

cc: @JulienCochuyt do you have any suggestions?

ABuffEr commented 3 years ago

Hi, I know it's not a solution to the issue, that should be investigated and solved. But, if you want to mitigate the phantom icon for all programs (not only NVDA), try this very micro software.

seanbudd commented 3 years ago

Can you confirm if #12286 (now on alpha) fixes this?

CyrilleB79 commented 3 years ago

Just to inform that this issue is not totally resolved. I have had it just today with NVDA 2021.2beta1. It seems to occur less frequently than in the past however.

Adriani90 commented 4 months ago

@XLTechie, @CyrilleB79 are you still seeing this issue in NVDA 2024.3 Beta?

CyrilleB79 commented 4 months ago

I have not tested the specific STR of this issue.

I have installed NVDA 2024.3beta1 two days ago and may not have the issue of the phantom icon until now. But surely, I have had it with NVDA 2024.2.

XLTechie commented 4 months ago

@Adriani90 I have run into this issue as recently as last month. Unfortunately, I don't recall which version I was running then, or on which system.

Are you aware of a recent PR that should have fixed this behavior?