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Silence NVDA while Dictation is actively listening #12938

Open Qchristensen opened 2 years ago

Qchristensen commented 2 years ago

Is your feature request related to a problem? Please describe.

When using Dictation in Windows, if NVDA starts speaking while a command is being dictated, it could confuse the dictation (or at very least, the user).

Describe the solution you'd like

When using Dictation in Windows, and the computer is actively listening to the user dictate a command, silence NVDA so as not to interrupt the command.

This came via Twitter - https://twitter.com/JAVM94/status/1448738159529955338 - in discussion it seems like it could be a useful feature, although I must admit I do not use dictation much personally.

Describe alternatives you've considered

Additional context

The original request mentioned Windows 11, I'm not sure if dictation in Windows 11 is different to Cortana in Windows 10 such that this feature is more important there?

josephsl commented 2 years ago

Hi, actually, when performing dictation (or rather, voice typing in Windows 11), NVDA will announce the text being recognized (this is done through a UIA name change event). In theory, it is possible to recognize start of dictation process but not when it ends. If talking about Cortana, it might be hard to recognize when a user is dictating things (in older Windows 10 releases, it was possible to detect this, but Cortana’s interface has changed significantly in Windows 10 Version 2004). Thanks.

Brian1Gaff commented 2 years ago

I turned her completely off long ago!

Maybe speech ducking could be used with a time out? Brian

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Hi, actually, when performing dictation (or rather, voice typing in Windows 11), NVDA will announce the text being recognized (this is done through a UIA name change event). In theory, it is possible to recognize start of dictation process but not when it ends. If talking about Cortana, it might be hard to recognize when a user is dictating things (in older Windows 10 releases, it was possible to detect this, but Cortana’s interface has changed significantly in Windows 10 Version 2004). Thanks.

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josephsl commented 2 years ago

Hi,

Quentin, did you get a response to that tweet? If thf Twitter user is still experiencing this probem where NVDA may announce things while dictating, please do mention my Twitter handle so I can explain what's going on.

Thanks.

Qchristensen commented 2 years ago

@josephsl - No, your reply on that thread is the last one. I just replied as well to see how the original user is going with it, and since you were involved, you should get a notification about that as well.

josephsl commented 8 months ago

Hi,

January 2024 update: with the advent of selective UIA event registration, NVDA will stay silent while dictating in Windows 11 (at least 2022 Update and later). Turns out Narrator doesn't announce dictated text either. What can change the picture is Voice Access and its dictation capability. Leaving this issue open.

Thanks.

josephsl commented 3 months ago

Hi,

July 2024 update: I think it would be better to let NVDA announce dictated text coming from Voice Access (Windows 11 2022 Update and later). If people agree, then I think we should close this issue as "won't fix".

Thanks.

Adriani90 commented 3 months ago

@josephsl I think this issue is not about dictated text being announced, but rather the NVDA voice being listened by Windows dictation, so voice access reacts to NVDA voice. I think this is hard to solve, because if NVDA speaks loudly in the room, the Microfone will intercept NVDA's voice. So when dictating something, I would say users should rather put NVDA to a more silent speech mode with nvda+s command, so that NVDA doesn't speak. But this involves switching back and forth between speech modes.

josephsl commented 3 months ago

Hi, this might be another use case for speech on demand mode (I think). Thanks.