Watchdog stopping Outlook express from speaking

[nvaccessAuto]

Reported by briang1 on 2012-07-12 10:43 It appears that on the first run of Outlook express in a session, Watchdog activity is triggered the first time t you hit enter to read a message in plain text. Thus although Outlook express is displaying the email nvda remains silent even though it was reading the Inbox befor. The cure is to escape and reselect the message but its a bit annoying so i thought it best to report the problem.

Nothing will work on the opened message in the above state, not even say all. Here in log extract 1, we see the effect when nvda tries to open the message.

IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:46:41): Input: kb(desktop):upArrow IO - speech.speak (09:46:41): Speaking Amess Subject: Re: Dead Right, Received: 11/07/2012 11:38 1112 of 1113' IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:46:43): Input: kb(desktop):downArrow IO - speech.speak (09:46:43): Speaking Amess Subject: Re: Dead Right, Received: 11/07/2012 15:13 1113 of 1113' IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:46:43): Input: kb(desktop):enter DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (09:46:44): Trying to recover from freeze, core stack: File "nvda.pyw", line 155, in File "core.pyc", line 339, in main File "wx_core.pyc", line 8010, in MainLoop File "wx_core.pyc", line 7306, in MainLoop File "core.pyc", line 316, in Notify File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 832, in pumpAll File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 724, in processForegroundWinEvent File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 509, in winEventToNVDAEvent File "NVDAObjects\IAccessibleinit.pyc", line 38, in getNVDAObjectFromEvent File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 336, in accessibleObjectFromEvent File "oleacc.pyc", line 240, in AccessibleObjectFromEvent

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (09:46:45): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 328646, objectID -4 and childID 0: DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (09:46:46): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 328646, objectID -4 and childID 0: DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (09:46:46): Trying to recover from freeze, core stack: File "nvda.pyw", line 155, in File "core.pyc", line 339, in main File "wx_core.pyc", line 8010, in MainLoop File "wx_core.pyc", line 7306, in MainLoop File "core.pyc", line 316, in Notify File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 815, in pumpAll File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 629, in processFocusWinEvent File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 509, in winEventToNVDAEvent File "NVDAObjects\IAccessibleinit.pyc", line 38, in getNVDAObjectFromEvent File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 336, in accessibleObjectFromEvent File "oleacc.pyc", line 240, in AccessibleObjectFromEvent

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (09:46:47): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 328646, objectID -4 and childID 0: DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (09:46:48): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 66520, objectID -4 and childID 1: DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (09:46:49): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 328646, objectID -4 and childID 0: DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (09:46:52): Trying to recover from freeze, core stack: File "nvda.pyw", line 155, in File "core.pyc", line 339, in main File "wx_core.pyc", line 8010, in MainLoop File "wx_core.pyc", line 7306, in MainLoop File "core.pyc", line 316, in Notify File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 829, in pumpAll File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 587, in processGenericWinEvent File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 509, in winEventToNVDAEvent File "NVDAObjects\IAccessibleinit.pyc", line 38, in getNVDAObjectFromEvent File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 336, in accessibleObjectFromEvent File "oleacc.pyc", line 240, in AccessibleObjectFromEvent

IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:46:54): Input: kb(desktop):NVDA+downArrow DEBUG - queueHandler.registerGeneratorObject (09:46:54): Adding generator 3 DEBUG - queueHandler.pumpAll (09:46:54): generator 3 finished IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (09:47:10): Input: kb(desktop):control+alt+i INFO - core.main (09:47:11): Exiting

Disabling watchdog and doing the same, ie resetting the computer so its a first run again, the operation works as expected and you can read the message. the delay is much the same, but it does work. Here is the log from that..

IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (11:07:35): Input: kb(desktop):upArrow IO - speech.speak (11:07:35): Speaking Amess Subject: Re: Dead Right, Received: 11/07/2012 15:13 1113 of 1114' IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (11:07:39): Input: kb(desktop):enter IO - speech.speak (11:07:41): Speaking Dead Right - Unicode (UTF-8)' IO - speech.speak (11:07:41): Speaking multi line read only' IO - speech.speak (11:07:41): Speaking Linda not Helen. She is just like an old school ' IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (11:07:44): Input: kb(desktop):NVDA+downArrow DEBUG - queueHandler.registerGeneratorObject (11:07:44): Adding generator 35 IO - speech.speak (11:07:44): Speaking u'Sorry, Linda not Helen. ' IO - speech.speak (11:07:44): Speaking is just like an old school ', IndexCommand(2), u'friend of mine \r', IndexCommand(3), u'called Helen and I always have to think carefully ', IndexCommand(4), u'when I see her. ' IO - speech.speak (11:07:46): Speaking IndexCommand(5), u'Barb\r', IndexCommand(6), u'----- Original Message ----- \r', IndexCommand(7), u'From: " 1brian Gaff" briang1@blueyonder.co.uk\r', IndexCommand(8), u'To: "Barbara Amess" barxxx@xxx.com\r', IndexCommand(9), u'Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 3:01 PM\r', IndexCommand(10), u'Subject: Re: Dead Right\r', IndexCommand(11), IndexCommand(12), IndexCommand(13), u"> Helen, I don't remember a helen?\r" IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (11:07:49): Input: kb(desktop):escape IO - speech.speak (11:07:49): Speaking - Outlook Express - Brian's main account" IO - speech.speak (11:07:49): Speaking Express Message List list' IO - speech.speak (11:07:49): Speaking Amess Subject: Re: Dead Right, Received: 11/07/2012 15:13 1113 of 1114' IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (11:08:03): Input: kb(desktop):control+alt+i INFO - core.main (11:08:03): Exiting

I'm not sure quite why its saying its frozen, and indeed why the system is not seeing the message open when watchdog is active.

[LeonarddeR]

Outlook Express is Abandoned software. Closing as won't fix.

[Brian1Gaff]

Thats as maybe but i still use it. I've had no issues with the latest version of Outlook Express on the current nvda versions even in windows 10 with the mshtml special file system now out there for it. I'd advise not removing app modules though as many like myself like the program for special reasons. Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. This message sent from a Windows XP machine! ----- Original Message ----- From: Leonard de Ruijter To: nvaccess/nvda Cc: Subscribed Sent: Friday, July 07, 2017 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [nvaccess/nvda] Watchdog stopping Outlook express from speaking (#2523)

Outlook Express is Abandoned software. Closing as won't fix.

— You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or mute the thread.

[LeonarddeR]

I think it's not being planned to remove appmodules for legacy apps at all, at least not until XP support is officially dropped. Anyway, I'll do a works for me instead.