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NVDA and OEClassic #8195

Closed ghost closed 1 year ago

ghost commented 6 years ago

I've been speaking with an indavidual by the name of Zvonko Tesic, from the company who develops the OEClassic email client, and the problem with OEClassic is when you open it up, the message list view and the folder treeview isn't accessible with screenreaders, because it uses what's called a virtual treeview. Could we add support for that so OEClassic will be accessible with NVDA and other screenreaders?

Brian1Gaff commented 6 years ago

Do they say other screenreaders do work with this then, or is this an issue for all of them. I think if its just nvda, then it stands a better chance of being looked at in case other software might benefit as well.

I wonder why they went down this road in the first place, seems like reinventing the wheel. Brian

ghost commented 6 years ago

Brian? Obviously, this is an issue with NVDA, otherwise, I wouldn't have reported it.

Brian1Gaff commented 6 years ago

I only asked if it affected just nvda or other screenreaders, it was not clear from what you wrote. Brian

ghost commented 6 years ago

I totaly understand now.

LeonarddeR commented 6 years ago

It looks like this is a Delphi application. The virtual treeview component that is used to show the folders and message list doesn't seem to be very accessible (i.e. it doesn't expose every single item in the tree view as a child of the tree view itself). The only way NVDA can access the content is by means of the display model, which is far from ideal.

I'm labelling this needs external fix, as the baseline accessibility of these controls is just insufficient. I guess it could be fixed in NVDA if we really need to, but there are alternatives for this client (including thunderbird) that are much more accessible. Therefore, I'm also labelling this p4.

ehollig commented 6 years ago

Related and possibly a duplicate of #6809

Adriani90 commented 5 years ago

@leonardder could this possibly be touched by your display model PR?

Adriani90 commented 1 year ago

In OE Classic 4.0 or higher, NVDA 2023.2 Beta 3 works properly for the message list and for the folder treeview. How ever, there is of course a big difference to Outlook and thunderbird as regarding accessibility. There are certainly still many bugs in OE classic, but this needs to be solved with the app developers first. NVDA supports these tree views apparently.

I am closing this issue as works for me. In case you have specific issues with OE classic, open separate issues for each action and provide detailed steps to reproduce.