Conciousness vs being awake

[dosumis]

Conciousness: "\"Behavior related to a variety of aspects of the relationship between the mind and the world with which it interacts.\" [wikipedia:Consciousness]" Wakfefulness: "\"Behavior related to the state of being conscious and engages in a coherent cognitive and behavior responses to the external world.\" [NBO:SD, wikipedia:Wakefulness]"

Many animals sleep. For many of those species, most researchers would not be comfortable with use of the term 'mind'. And conciousness obviously has connotations far beyond the state of wakefulness.

• [ ] TODO Move out wakefulness from under conciousness

[DitchingIt]

This seems to be linked to the question of what to do with the phenotype term 'asleep' #131

[DitchingIt]

1. @matentzn has argued that being 'asleep' NBO:0000649 (Phenotype branch) is a phenotype.
2. GO:0042746 implicitly defines wakefulness as the opposite of asleep. Wikipedia says so explicitly, and no longer suggests (as it did in 2015) that wakefulness is a behaviour, but that it is a state. By these tokens, 'wakefulness' NBO:0000066 (Process branch) should also be a phenotype.
3. Wikipedia goes further to suggest that consciousness is not only a state but perhaps is synonymous with wakefulness. Either way, 'being conscious' NBO:0000649 (Process branch parent of wakefulness) should be considered a phenotype.

I would go further than @dosumis to propose that NBO deprecates all three NBO terms together as part of the ongoing deprecation of the Phenotype branch that @rays22 is working with me on.

Any comments or alternatives?

@pmidford @aclark-binghamton-edu

[aclark-binghamton-edu]

@ditchingit I am fine with a "phenotype" designation for "asleep" or "wakeful/wakefulness". However, there are specific behavioral attributes of "Sleeping" that, I argue, mean that we need to keep that term as a behavior . I would think of it as analogous to such terms as "standing" or "crouching"....states that are postural in very typical ways, perhaps active or require activity to start and end. So sleeping in a fish might be defined with respect to opercular movements, tiny adjustments to stay in place, etc, or in a canid, holding a body position in a curl with tail over its nose, with a low respiratory rate, eyelids closed, etc .

In my crow ethogram, I cannot drop "standing" or "sleeping" easily from my "behaviors", although both may be defined as a complex of positional and motion-related descriptors.

In studying behavior, I don't know what to do with "consciousness", do not claim anything about it except in more theoretical discussions and am happy to have it classified elsewhere.

On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 8:54 AM Ditch Townsend @.***> wrote:

1. @matentzn https://github.com/matentzn has argued that being 'asleep' NBO:0000649 (Phenotype branch) is a phenotype https://github.com/obo-behavior/behavior-ontology/discussions/133#discussioncomment-5023155 .
2. GO:0042746 implicitly defines wakefulness as the opposite of asleep. Wikipedia says so explicitly, and no longer suggests (as it did in 2015) that wakefulness is a behaviour, but that it is a state. By these tokens, 'wakefulness' NBO:0000066 (Process branch) should also be a phenotype.
3. Wikipedia goes further to suggest that consciousness https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness is not only a state but perhaps is synonymous with wakefulness. Either way, 'being conscious' NBO:0000649 (Process branch parent of wakefulness) should be considered a phenotype.

I would go further than @dosumis https://github.com/dosumis to propose that NBO deprecates all three NBO terms together as part of the ongoing deprecation of the Phenotype branch that @rays22 https://github.com/rays22 is working with me on.

Any comments or alternatives?

@pmidford https://github.com/pmidford @aclark-binghamton-edu https://github.com/aclark-binghamton-edu

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[DitchingIt]

However, there are specific behavioral attributes of "Sleeping" that, I argue, mean that we need to keep that term as a behavior

Absolutely @aclark-binghamton-edu - I am NOT suggesting we drop NBO:0000024 sleeping behavior.

[aclark-binghamton-edu]

We are on same page, then! all good with sleeping behaviors!

On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 9:47 AM Ditch Townsend @.***> wrote:

However, there are specific behavioral attributes of "Sleeping" that, I argue, mean that we need to keep that term as a behavior

Absolutely @aclark-binghamton-edu https://github.com/aclark-binghamton-edu - I am NOT suggesting we drop NBO:0000024 sleeping behavior.

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