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Neuro Behaviour Ontology: an ontology for human and animal behaviour processes and behaviour phenotypes
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Determine how to handle weaning behavior #31

Closed CynthiaParr-USDA closed 1 year ago

CynthiaParr-USDA commented 8 years ago

May be handled currently as feeding behavior but probably belongs elsewhere.

DitchingIt commented 1 year ago

@csparr @aclark-binghamton-edu @pmidford @dosumis

aclark-binghamton-edu commented 1 year ago

@DitchingIt @pmidford @dosumis @csparr First, yes, agree that it is not a "feeding behavior". In the ABO, into which I tried to integrate the NBO term, as I recall, and in which weaning behavior appears, it occurs within/as a child of parental behavior.

I also provided a definition written by Sue Margulis and I with help from webby resources: Behavior that restricts access to or reduces demand by offspring for provisioning by parent

Very pointedly, we did NOT want to restrict this to mammals producing milk. Birds directly feed their young and go through similar interactions with their offspring, behavior that diminishes the reliance on and demands on the parent as source of food. In other animals, e.g. necrophorus beetle moms, it may occur, but we haven't really been sensitive to the events. GIven that even for NBO users, model organisms are moving way beyond rodents, let's be broad and prospectively inclusive

DitchingIt commented 1 year ago

I'm okay with your definition, but can you give me a better source than my Wikipedia one for it (it doesn't have to be a direct quote)?

aclark-binghamton-edu commented 1 year ago

Absolutely, can provide a wealth of slightly different definitions from Barrows 2001 Animal Behavior Desk Reference 2nd ed. I will take a picture of the set of definitions (they also have refs which I can provide separately) once I have transcribed them. (Barrow's book is very useful for this.)

aclark-binghamton-edu commented 1 year ago

Weaning defs-Barrows2001.pdf

here tis...attached

aclark-binghamton-edu commented 1 year ago

Trivers 1972 Parental Investment and Sexual Selection. pp 136-179 in B. Campbell, Ed, Sexual Selection and the Descent of Man 1871-1971 Aldine Publ, Chicago IL 378 pp

Immelman and Beer are more mammal-forward and insufficiently general. Also I think it is appropriate to use Trivers' term "resources", not just food or milk, because one thing young animals, esp. vertebrates, may get from parents is protection/warmth/"reassurance"--which if you have ever watched a weaning process, seems to be almost as important as the actual nutrients.

DitchingIt commented 1 year ago

@aclark-binghamton-edu I've searched the Trivers 1972 chapter for mention of anything specific to weaning and can't find it. However, there is a paper (Trivers, R.L., 1974. Parent-offspring conflict. Integrative and comparative biology, 14(1), pp.249-264) in which weaning is the main theme and on which 'resources' is liberally sprinkled. (I wonder if Barrows references the wrong paper?) Although there is no quotable definition, Trivers comes close with a description of the third phase of postnatal care (p.254). I have a couple of suggested options for definitions:

  1. nurturing behavior that decreases the resources a parent gives to its offspring (and give Barrows as the source, although not in quotes)
  2. nurturing behavior that is mostly offspring initiated and parentally avoided (and give Trivers 1974 as the source, although not in quotes)
DitchingIt commented 1 year ago

@aclark-binghamton-edu Do you have a preference between my two options or a third of your own?

DitchingIt commented 1 year ago

@aclark-binghamton-edu I'm minded to go with my second option unless there is a reason not to?

aclark-binghamton-edu commented 1 year ago

@DitchingIt I would NOT use option two because it seems internally in conflict--ie nuturing is what parents do, not offspring. A second comment is coming..very, very busy time here at end of semester.

aclark-binghamton-edu commented 1 year ago

@DitchingIt OK--first a little discussion. Barrows clearly cited either Trivers paper out of faith--neither offers a useful definition, although I agree that the 3rd phase of parental care is a "weaning period", ie one in which weaning (as a process) takes place. That is the key problem--weaning is most clearly and generally a process that occurs over a species-typical time and involves an offspring decreasing, even ceasing its use of parental resources.

Second, , I suggest we use some version of the 2nd definition that Barrows gives and attributes to Klaus Immelmann and Colin Beer's "A Dictionary of Ethology" (1989 Harvard Univ Press, Cambridge MA p 327 in my book, cited by Barrows as 237!) "A mother animal's breaking her offspring's dependence on her, especially with regard to feeding"

BUT, third, here is Immelmann and Beer's 1989 exact definition: "The breaking of an offspring's dependence on its mother or parents, especially with regard to feeding." I like this original one better--especially that it references "parents" and we know that many male birds provide offspring food and I speak from experience that they have some creative ways to get offspring to stop demanding food or feeding.

SO--finally---IF I were going to construct a definition starting with "behavior", I would say "Behavior that promotes the breaking of an offspring's dependence on parental resources, especially food resources (Immelmann and Beer 1989)". In every definition we have found, it is understood that it is parental behavior that enforces the process, and logically it goes under parental behavior, not nurturing behavior. (Ask anyone being weaned!)

Whew--what do you think?

DitchingIt commented 1 year ago

@aclark-binghamton-edu Excellent! I'll go with your last.