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An ontology of gross anatomy covering metazoa. Works in concert with https://github.com/obophenotype/cell-ontology
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Jaw joint #463

Closed spinosaur closed 10 years ago

spinosaur commented 10 years ago

We suggest making "craniomandibular joint" the preferred term (rather than jaw joint). Jaw joint can refer to other joints in the upper and lower jaws.

RDruzinsky commented 10 years ago

Agreed.

Robert E. Druzinsky, Ph.D. Clinical Associate Professor Dept. of Oral Biology College of Dentistry University of Illinois at Chicago 801 S. Paulina Chicago, IL 60612 druzinsk@uic.edu

Office: 312-996-0406 Lab: 312-996-0629 Website: www.peerj.com/RobertDruzinsky

On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 1:40 PM, spinosaur notifications@github.com wrote:

We suggest making "craniomandibular joint" the preferred term (rather than jaw joint). Jaw joint can refer to other joints in the upper and lower jaws.

— Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHubhttps://github.com/obophenotype/uberon/issues/463 .

cmungall commented 10 years ago

Good suggestion. Jaw joint is definitely problematic. We want the term to reflect the logical definition (joint connecting upper and lower jaw skeletons)

I have a question about the use of mandibular. Sometimes this can refer specifically to the dentary in mammals, sometimes it is used more generically for lower jaw (ignoring for now the more confusing even more general use e.g. for jaws in general in insects, or upper beaks...)

Should we enshrine mandibular as pertaining to the lower jaw skeleton across vertebrates (whether dermal or splanchnocranium)? If so, then "craniomandibular" is perfect, just wanted to check first.

RDruzinsky commented 10 years ago

"Mandible" is extremely problematic. Yes, it is both a generic term that refers to the lower jaw even in insects and the lower jaw of vertebrates that is made up of multiple bones, but it is also the single, dermal bone of mammals that forms the lower jaw. However, I guess we could use the term "mandible_bone" to refer to the single, dermal bone of mammals.

Robert E. Druzinsky, Ph.D. Clinical Associate Professor Dept. of Oral Biology College of Dentistry University of Illinois at Chicago 801 S. Paulina Chicago, IL 60612 druzinsk@uic.edu

Office: 312-996-0406 Lab: 312-996-0629 Website: www.peerj.com/RobertDruzinsky

On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Chris Mungall notifications@github.comwrote:

Good suggestion. Jaw joint is definitely problematic. We want the term to reflect the logical definition (joint connecting upper and lower jaw skeletons)

I have a question about the use of mandibular. Sometimes this can refer specifically to the dentary in mammals, sometimes it is used more generically for lower jaw (ignoring for now the more confusing even more general use e.g. for jaws in general in insects, or upper beaks...)

Should we enshrine mandibular as pertaining to the lower jaw skeleton across vertebrates (whether dermal or splanchnocranium)? If so, then "craniomandibular" is perfect, just wanted to check first.

— Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHubhttps://github.com/obophenotype/uberon/issues/463#issuecomment-44460167 .

cmungall commented 10 years ago

I have temporarily given it a less ambiguous (but rather ugly) name, with "craniomandibular joint" as a synonym. Let's see what others say. It may be fine to just go with "craniomandibular joint" as the primary label and note that this connects upper and lower jaw skeletons